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typedef 10 Jan 2012, 01:00
With all respect who are you say that it lacks proper documentation? I became an Assembly programmer because I was motivated by that documentation. As a matter of fact, Tomasz didn't make the PDF so you could learn assembly from it. It's the documentation for FASM.
You think all he does is sit around and then work on the PDF when he feels like it? Come on man, appreciate the small things that's there and don't look for what's not there. What more do you want ? |
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GhostXoPCorp 10 Jan 2012, 01:55
Quote: Some months ago I've given up on FASM because of the lack of proper documentation. At that time the pdf was about 20% done. A week ago I re downloaded it and I was very surprised to see it improved amazingly. Is everything documented in this pdf? Do you know about any feature that is missing from it? Who told you it was just 20%? Did you write the compiler to document it and measure what wasn't done? You need to actually read even the parts that don't seem so interesting. We know there isn't pictures, but professionally its not needed. There is not, and wont be any features missing as it is constantly updated (as far as i have seen, new registers have been added) If you came here to learn a language, You have come to the wrong place. If you came to learn how Fasm uses that language, welcome to the flatassembler forum. _________________ Oh that divide overflow. Just jumps out of the bushes every time to scare the day lights out of me. |
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10 Jan 2012, 01:55 |
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rohagymeg 10 Jan 2012, 05:34
Ok I may be wrong, but for example I wanted to learn macro programming and that time the manual didn't contain its documentation. I don't have a problem with the language itself, only HAD a problem understanding FASM specific features.
EDIT: So yes, I came here to learn how Fasm uses the language! I haven't given up on assembly itself, because I've been reading the intel documentation like a boss. |
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10 Jan 2012, 05:34 |
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GhostXoPCorp 10 Jan 2012, 13:19
Quote: because I've been reading the intel documentation Then you do not have much to read unless you started reading the manual "like a boss" 5 hours ago. _________________ Oh that divide overflow. Just jumps out of the bushes every time to scare the day lights out of me. |
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10 Jan 2012, 13:19 |
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Enko 10 Jan 2012, 14:27
Its safe to say that passed about 3 years that fasm documentation didn't changed. (perhaps small adds for the new futures)
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rohagymeg 10 Jan 2012, 20:52
The basic instructions I know, but still learning extra mnemonics becaue I don't know when I'll need them.
Intel doc. is the best choice for this. It is boring sometimes, but at least it tells everything. I bet most of you know every instruction and never need to look them up. Good for you all. |
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10 Jan 2012, 20:52 |
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typedef 10 Jan 2012, 21:09
rohagymeg wrote: . I bet most of you know every instruction and never need to look them up. Good for you all. Yeah because we had to look them up in the first place. Just kidding though. I don't really know all of them. |
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10 Jan 2012, 21:09 |
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rohagymeg 10 Jan 2012, 21:23
Going back to topic, I clearly remember when I read fasm.pdf it only contained the 16 bit documentation. It was very short and at the end something like this was written: "this documentation is a work in progress." Nothing about 32bit windows! Am I just dreaming this?
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10 Jan 2012, 21:23 |
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GhostXoPCorp 10 Jan 2012, 21:49
Quote: Am I just dreaming this? Wake up. Stop responding, read the manual. _________________ Oh that divide overflow. Just jumps out of the bushes every time to scare the day lights out of me. |
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10 Jan 2012, 21:49 |
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Enko 10 Jan 2012, 22:07
rohagymeg wrote: Going back to topic, I clearly remember when I read fasm.pdf it only contained the 16 bit documentation. It was very short and at the end something like this was written: "this documentation is a work in progress." Nothing about 32bit windows! Am I just dreaming this? This wasn't the fasm documentation, but a small tutorial/manual of assembly with fasm that Tomasz did for 16bit. Its still there on docs: Quote:
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Again, its not the fasm documentation. This is the fasm doc: http://flatassembler.net/docs.php?article=manual |
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10 Jan 2012, 22:07 |
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rohagymeg 10 Jan 2012, 22:24
Thanks for clarifying. How much time I missed because of a stupid thing like this! FAIL
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10 Jan 2012, 22:24 |
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GhostXoPCorp 10 Jan 2012, 22:46
Quote: Thanks for clarifying. How much time I missed because of a stupid thing like this! FAIL Stupid is as stupid does, mom always said. _________________ Oh that divide overflow. Just jumps out of the bushes every time to scare the day lights out of me. |
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10 Jan 2012, 22:46 |
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shutdownall 10 Jan 2012, 23:11
I think rohagymeg is not false when complaining missing documentation.
So in that point documentation could be better but this is not a task for Tomasz only, documentation can be written from users here as well and posted. As this is a open source forum, documentation could be written from everyone and I think Tomasz would be happy if some people here do, who have possibly more time. And I think some users have enough know how to improve documentation.  |
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10 Jan 2012, 23:11 |
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typedef 11 Jan 2012, 01:15
shutdownall wrote: to improve documentation. What do you mean by improve? Is it not good as it is ? I don't get it...... What else do you want to know about it ? 
How to compile ? |
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11 Jan 2012, 01:15 |
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GhostXoPCorp 11 Jan 2012, 04:13
Quote: What do you mean by improve? When that question is ever answered, this thread will make sense. Quote: I think rohagymeg is Thinking eh? _________________ Oh that divide overflow. Just jumps out of the bushes every time to scare the day lights out of me. |
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11 Jan 2012, 04:13 |
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rohagymeg 11 Jan 2012, 05:58
This thread doesn't make sense. Unless we count the lack of proper amount of example tutorials.
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11 Jan 2012, 05:58 |
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Tyler 11 Jan 2012, 07:41
Enko wrote: http://flatassembler.net/docs.php?article=manual GhostXoPCorp wrote: Stupid is as stupid does, mom always said. |
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11 Jan 2012, 07:41 |
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GhostXoPCorp 11 Jan 2012, 22:22
Quote: then you shouldn't say anything at all. Seems like your parents were too nice to you _________________ Oh that divide overflow. Just jumps out of the bushes every time to scare the day lights out of me. |
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11 Jan 2012, 22:22 |
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shutdownall 15 Jan 2012, 01:18
typedef wrote:
Okay lets say better extend as improve. What I mean is internal documentation as this is a open source project and internal structures would make life easier to adapt new functions to FASM like different instruction sets. I spend lot of time to understand tables.inc, preproce.inc, x86_64.inc and how datastructures in the table file has to be interpreted and internally processed.  |
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