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LiuJunfeng 08 Apr 2004, 06:36
1.IA-32 Intel(R) Architecture Software Developer's Manual
http://www.intel.com/design/pentium4/manuals/253665.htm 2.flat assembler Programmer's Manual http://flatassembler.net/docs.php?article=manual 3.Assembly-Programming-Journal (APJ) http://www.assembly-journal.com/archive.php --If you know some other material is a must read, please reply. |
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08 Apr 2004, 06:36 |
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vid 12 Apr 2004, 18:41
art of assembly (but don't know the site)
+ many virus zines (40Hex, Vlad, ...) |
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12 Apr 2004, 18:41 |
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vid 07 May 2004, 19:29
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of course NOT destructive viruses, that is lame (in most cases). But (DOS) viruses include much more than only simple infecting executable file. You learn there TSRs (stealth), anti-debugging tricks (PIQ), many times some interesting hardware-programming gem (some display things), optimization, comprehend machine language better (polymorphism), find some interesting aproaches (brute force decryption), get deeper to system (MBR) etc. I think studying (!) viruses is best choice for intermediate assembly programmer. |
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07 May 2004, 19:29 |
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ShortCoder 08 May 2004, 08:41
vid wrote:
Well, but in that case, why not learn about TSR DOS progs and anti-debugging tricks and hardware algorithms and the boot process (7C00 and MBR and 55AA stuff)? I mean I guess there might be some value to studying viruses but I just seem to think you could learn it all other (better) ways as well and anybody could figure out how to do the destructive stuff if they wanted to (I think)---it's pretty easy so I'm glad you think that's lame;) |
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08 May 2004, 08:41 |
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vid 08 May 2004, 17:33
for lamers, there is always way to be destructive, either they learn virii stuff or not. I right now i can't figure better example for most of those mentioned technologies than viruses. On them you can you see why such technologies are needed.
Step-by-step writing complex DOS virus would be great assembly tutorial, covering most aspects of assembly coding, unfortunatelly it is way dangerous for author. |
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08 May 2004, 17:33 |
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neonz 10 May 2004, 10:25
ShortCoder wrote:
Tutorials about writing DOS viruses could be good tutorials about assembler code optimization for DOS as well, IMHO. |
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10 May 2004, 10:25 |
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f0dder 10 May 2004, 14:23
If you want optimization, you read www.agner.org and the intel manuals. Virii are usually pretty sloppy... and those that are optimized are size-optimized, which isn't very useful in 'normal' programming (yes it's useful when doing 1,4,64k intros or bootsectors but that's not 'normal' programming ).
If you want hardware details etc, it's better to study os development stuff - the documentation there is also usually a lot better. You _can_ learn stuff by studying the various viral magazines, though. One thing is the mindset of a lot of virus writers... truly scary. Polymorphism (or whatever fancy words you want to use) can be useful in the field of software protection. And of course... it's always good to know your enemy and their tactics. |
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10 May 2004, 14:23 |
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vid 10 May 2004, 18:33
f0dder: viruses also help you greatly to understaning your OS, better than anything else.
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10 May 2004, 18:33 |
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f0dder 10 May 2004, 22:56
not really. You learn the file formats better from other sources, the API from the PlatformSDK, and kernel-mode stuff from the DDK. True, you can get some 'internal' information from studying virii and exploits, but that's beginning to be documented elsewhere too - and isn't really very useful for general programming.
I'm tired of virus glorification... nothing useful ever came from it, but there's certainly been a lot of grief caused by virii and other malware. Even stuff that isn't malicious have had bugs that have trashed things. |
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10 May 2004, 22:56 |
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FAlter 15 Jun 2004, 17:13
If you want to look up some interrupt functions:
http://www.ctyme.com/intr/int.htm |
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15 Jun 2004, 17:13 |
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Jaques 18 Jun 2004, 17:58
I agree with F0dder to a point....
Its not really a manual but it is a must read: http://www.canonical.org/~kragen/tao-of-programming.html Art of Assembly http://webster.cs.ucr.edu/ _________________ - My ignorance is now your problem. |
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18 Jun 2004, 17:58 |
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polygon7 19 Jun 2004, 21:07
Hi,
some of my favourite webpages: http://www.scrontsoft.com/ DirectX in assembly http://www.df.lth.se/~john_e/ Assembly Gems page http://www.anticracking.sk/EliCZ/ Win32asm http://y0da.cjb.net/ Win32asm and good tool - LordPE[/url] _________________ best regards p7 |
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19 Jun 2004, 21:07 |
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Jaques 28 Jun 2004, 00:00
where can i find 40hex ect
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28 Jun 2004, 00:00 |
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polygon7 28 Jun 2004, 06:15
_________________ best regards p7 |
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28 Jun 2004, 06:15 |
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