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DOS386



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DOS386
Heh ... I can browse the web with DILLO in DOS (apart from Arachne, DOSLynx, OWB, ...) Smile ... but attachment upload works on Windaube only ... behaves strangely Sad but post got submitted with attach at the end Neutral


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Bug Nr.: 12345

Title: Hello World program compiles to 100 KB !!!

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Post 19 Nov 2011, 10:54
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cool..
Post 19 Nov 2011, 16:22
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ManOfSteel



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I like Dillo, but when I'm going minimal, I just prefer text browsers such as Elinks.
You see, Dillo doesn't support JS, so the only advantage it has for me over those text browsers is its ability to display images. But the thing is I rarely enable image display even when using Opera or Firefox.
Post 19 Nov 2011, 17:43
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Coty



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^ Its HTML sure does look moar purdy than color text does
Post 20 Nov 2011, 04:31
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OzzY



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Interesting. What DOS are you running? Is it MS-DOS or FreeDOS?

I may try FreeDOS on virtualbox to see what it's like.

BTW... what are the advantages of running DOS these days?
Post 03 Dec 2011, 16:22
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rugxulo



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N.B. moderator, perhaps this thread belongs in the DOS subforum?

OzzY wrote:
Interesting. What DOS are you running? Is it MS-DOS or FreeDOS?


Presumably either EDR-DOS or FreeDOS.

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I may try FreeDOS on virtualbox to see what it's like.


Works excellently on newer Intel cpus with (improved) VT-X.

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BTW... what are the advantages of running DOS these days?


There is no virtue in any OS, it's all about what you want or need. DOS is only good for DOS apps, Linux for Linux apps, etc. You don't "need" Linux or Windows or DOS or OS/2 or FreeBSD or Mac OS X, but they still all exist. So just use "whatever works". And since this is a programmer's forum, I assume you know that anything can be built up to snuff if you know what you're doing. "A poor carpenter blames his tools." Wink
Post 10 Dec 2011, 18:32
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DOS386



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> Interesting. What DOS are you running? Is it MS-DOS or FreeDOS?

FreeDOS and EDR-DOS.

> I may try FreeDOS on virtualbox to see what it's like.

NO. To see what FreeDOS is like, you need to install it on your PC Wink

> BTW... what are the advantages of running DOS these days?

Less bloat? No Windaube? Virii don't work? Booting takes seconds instead of centuries? On a 1 GiB PC you get 1'023 MiB available for your apps? OS installation is 1 MiB instead of 30 GiB?

> DOS is only good for DOS apps, Linux for Linux apps, etc.

Right. No need for Windaube for DOS apps. No need to support Windaube in DOS apps.

> Works excellently on newer Intel cpus with (improved) VT-X.

It works on my early Pentium with MMX too. Do your cool early Pentium without MMX and 80486 PC's still work?
Post 12 Dec 2011, 02:45
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rugxulo



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DOS386 wrote:

> BTW... what are the advantages of running DOS these days?

Less bloat? No Windaube? Virii don't work? Booting takes seconds instead of centuries? On a 1 GiB PC you get 1'023 MiB available for your apps? OS installation is 1 MiB instead of 30 GiB?


The only "real" reasons to run DOS are because you need or want to, i.e. familiarity, old tools, low footprint, direct hardware access, fun, etc.

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> DOS is only good for DOS apps, Linux for Linux apps, etc.

Right. No need for Windaube for DOS apps. No need to support Windaube in DOS apps.


Windaube used to work pretty well with DOS, too bad it doesn't anymore. (And I know you're a fan of HX, how can someone not be??)

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> Works excellently on newer Intel cpus with (improved) VT-X.

It works on my early Pentium with MMX too.


I meant VirtualBox works really well on ultra modern (2010+) machines, e.g. Nehalem Westmere.

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Do your cool early Pentium without MMX and 80486 PC's still work?


Barely, everything around here (almost) seems to have broken by now. The 486 (dead CMOS, kludgy keyboard) is disconnected and the P166 (no MMX) was already half dead (and effectively useless without a working floppy drive, ugh). Quite honestly, I'm not up to fixing (or having fixed) these machines, so I'm "stuck" with newer hardware (for good or bad), even if I don't "need" or "want" it. Oh well, when life gives you lemons ....
Post 12 Dec 2011, 13:53
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DOS386



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rugxulo wrote:
Windaube used to work pretty well with DOS, too bad it doesn't anymore.


Don't understand.

> (And I know you're a fan of HX, how can someone not be??)

yes we can

> I meant VirtualBox works really well on ultra modern (2010+) machines

Probably true Shocked

> The 486 (dead CMOS, kludgy keyboard) is disconnected and the
> P166 (no MMX) was already half dead (and effectively useless

Bad ... http://www.norhtec.com/products/mcjrsx/index.html (untested)

> Oh well, when life gives you lemons ....

.... then throw back melons (accelerate to at least 670'616'630 MPH when throwing) Very Happy
Post 13 Dec 2011, 09:24
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OzzY



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How do you connect to the internet using FreeDOS?

I always liked programming for DOS, but because of lack of networking I stopped using it.

If DOS now has GUI and networking it might be worth checking it out.
Post 14 Dec 2011, 13:18
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OzzY



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BTW.. it's interesting that FLTK got ported to DOS.
This GUI toolkit is really nice and light.
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OzzY wrote:
How do you connect to the internet using FreeDOS?

I always liked programming for DOS, but because of lack of networking I stopped using it.

If DOS now has GUI and networking it might be worth checking it out.


I have been work on a extender that turns freedos in to a 32bit os, it as full tcp/ip stack, but limted Ethernet cards.
Its got a fasm port and let you use most int 21h functions from pm, by just replacing 16bits reg with 32bit regs.
Test floppy img
http://www.dex-os.com/Switching/freedos2.img

unreleased screenshot
http://www.dex-os.com/dos2x/dos2x.jpg
Post 14 Dec 2011, 18:02
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DOS386



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> How do you connect to the internet using FreeDOS?

Packet driver for your PCI Ethernet card. There are drivers for many 10 years old cards. I don't know about more recent models. No clue about WLAN, WiFi, Internet via USB, GreenTooth & Co Sad

> If DOS now has GUI

there is no "built-in-GUI" ... but there are GUI apps and libs Wink

> and networking it might be worth checking it out

out
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