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i hope to make this thread deal specifically on "money", "trading" and "currency" for our soon to be new age society.

creation of the new form simply understood & secured digital currency is the first step to our new world order.

we use "currency" as a medium of changing values because angels don't lurk on earth.

1) what should be hold as currency, where would it comes found, of course as soon as everybody start believing it is currency, then it would be currency.

2) how to store this currency, we want it uncontrolled, open, and all transactions beyond certain amount should be made "transparent", open to everybody, and everybody know where the money move.

3) how we could identify who is who, and this money belong to who? username and password wouldn't work, we need new form secured yet simple way of identification.

there are lot of bright minds here, hope you willing to share some ideas, unless everybody change, otherwise, 10 years from now, everybody still stuck inside this sort of unfair society.
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So, you've been catching up on BitCoin? Smile

It is all very simple, really:
Currency - you can build Marketplace and research Trade
Trade - you can build Caravan (great for Wonders of world) and research Banking
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I think this would be worth trying but man, hackers man.
Just the feeling you get from holding a banknote make me feel so yeaah!!. For me using digital currency makes me feel a little bit "light".


I want to feel the damn money !

And digital currency will be just as hard to the poor who have no clue what Control + Alt + Delete is.
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Code:
mov [my_bank_account_in_€uros],100000000
    

cool, only one instruction and i'm rich.

i want digital money. yeah!!!

no more money can be cool too now, or in a soon future.

what happens to france for example?
france have the "file", a very big file about everybody that was, is, and will be on the french territory.

this file is of course not really an informatic file, it is the fact that everytime you have to deal with administrations, you should declare a lot of things.

every year, you declare the money you earned, but in fact, you just have to check if printed value is correct, and change it if not. i never changed that value.

in fact, in france, money is really controlled a lot, only the black market, the occult markets and the rest of the world make the digital money impossible for the moment. but i use a lot my credit card. in bill distributors, in supermarket, in petrol station, everywhere they say: "CB acceptée".

there are bills to pay.

every "normal" money flux are controlled.
if you pay with blue credit card, it is controlled.

the check is something cool, and is digital money, but the informations are writen on a certified paper support, means the paper still have something to do...

how to replace paper?
only by a network.
the network is the only certification possibility.
means the everything will be "centralized" somewhere.
it should be centralized in a single program, even if the program is shared beetwen thousand of machines around the world.

then, the internet is the right place to deal with digital money.

but how to replace the paper certificate, that is the only way to be sure of the authenticity of a check?

because not that a check have a number, have a specific design, and when a bank ask for a check transaction from the emiting bank, the check is verified, and accepted or not.

but look closelly, you will see that:

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here we don't accept check and credit card

because many of us don't trust with banks. mainly, they are the black market users.

but franckly, in a real world, money is no more needed. just a pointer to a value is enough.

for mine, a 16 bits counter is enough, even in cents.... Sad
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Digital money - exactly why crisis occured in 2007

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edfed wrote:

in a real world, money is no more needed. just a pointer to a value is enough.

ok, that'd be easy to hack in C Very Happy

Code:
#define EDFEDS_MONEY 100000000.00 
#define SOME_FOOLS_MONEY 2.00
#define MBR_TSRs_COM_FILE_FUNDS 0.1
int main(int argc, char *argv[])
{
   //money in euros
       double * f , g[] = {MBR_TSRs_COM_FILE_FUNDS,SOME_FOOLS_MONEY,EDFEDS_MONEY};
       f =  &g[0];
     //let's hack into edfeds account
   *f++;
       *f++;
       double myMoney = 99999999.00;
              myMoney +=*f;

    //hey, give him some at least
       *(g+2) = 0.00000000000001; // you are broke dude
    

    return 0;
}
    
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i was thinking like this.

how bout we ditch money concept but we use "zero #" concept.

eg.

everybody start with 0

so, if A by a new pc (#600) from B, then A would get #600- and B get #600+

so, the best situation is near zero, and we set a maximum of #30,000+ as the limit of # you can own, and #30,000- as the minimum you must go out and provide service and get back to 0.

so, every transaction that you did on counter or whatever place will show your # that you own/owed currently, and people can based on that to whether let you have it or ask you to do something first.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

let say we build a database with 100 new participant email and their public key and their 0 balance (let say everybody is new, so their balance is 0)

so, how do we check balance so on and so forth..

ok, the idea is like this.

the database is updated every X hours and through p2p torrent network,

let say,

i go to the shop to buy a #600 pc,
i tell the shop where is my file located (assumed we got lot of database in future), so, the software get the latest database from p2p network, then using my public key, it send an email to my secure wallet software that just like an email software), i read it reply back with agree statement willing to pay #600 for the stuff)

the shop received payment confirmation, then he forward the mail to "torrent bank database management system" then this BANK (kinda different bank) will update both balance and release the torrent database in next scheduled time to p2p network.

ok, i think this is brilliant and should fucking work... since the "torrent bank database management system" is open source and nobody it jobs is UPDATE the balance, thats all.....
Post 13 Aug 2011, 18:39
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sleepsleep wrote:
...is the first step to our new world order.

...we want it uncontrolled, open, and all transactions beyond certain amount should be made "transparent", open to everybody, and everybody know where the money move.

...how we could identify who is who...


Why would we want a new world order. The bigger a government or company gets the less human and humane it gets. Making money digital makes it controllable and why in the world would you want your personal finances open to every one and any one. You set up a system that enables control, some one will try to take control. You set up a system where some critical item to peoples lives is controlled and tracked and it will be used to control, track and criminalize those of a different view then those in power.
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Why would we want a new world order. The bigger a government or company gets the less human and humane it gets.

my meaning of new world order is abolished those gov/company controls on "monetary system", monetary system should be transparent and open source.

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why in the world would you want your personal finances open to every one and any one.

because this might be the only way to proceed to a new way of living, because system that we used now only make the rich richer and the rest have no future.

“We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them.”

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You set up a system that enables control, some one will try to take control.

if it is some sort of "open source" style software system, then at least, it is harder in some form to take total control of it.

well, if it is controlled by programmer, or tomasz, it is still better compare to be controlled by those fucking politicians.

at least the one who head us are those with highest IQ and intelligent.

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You set up a system where some critical item to peoples lives is controlled and tracked and it will be used to control, track and criminalize those of a different view then those in power.

example, please describe more on this. thank you.



btw, welcome to fasm board, (since this is ur 1st post)
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sleepsleep wrote:

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You set up a system that enables control, some one will try to take control.

if it is some sort of "open source" style software system, then at least, it is harder in some form to take total control of it.

well, if it is controlled by programmer, or tomasz, it is still better compare to be controlled by those fucking politicians.

at least the one who head us are those with highest IQ and intelligent.


I live near the silicon valley, even if you don't, it doesn't take a lot to see a large number of the people in power started out as hackers, started a company, things boomed and they became the people they hated as hackers. Maybe it's just that the ones who wanted money and power took it and those who didn't don't control things.

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You set up a system where some critical item to peoples lives is controlled and tracked and it will be used to control, track and criminalize those of a different view then those in power.

example, please describe more on this. thank you.

Most government intelligence services were set up to defend the country from other countries. Most have been used many times by those in power against any one they view as against them personally. Google, the don't be evil company, has repeatedly sold or traded user information and tracking information to nearly any one who wants it. The CEO's comment was that the people they ratted out shouldn't have done what they did if they didn't want people finding out, so what if people are dead for standing up for their rights. A huge number of the makers of gps units are getting nailed for selling tracking information on their users. Do a quick search of the net to find out about Facebook. School year books get used by police all the time. Any large collection of information has value to people who want power and money. Keeping that information costs money and running something that large is political. Look at China and the number of people there who dispersed because of information provided the government by google and several social networking sites. Collected information tends to get used, it gets sold or used, if for no other reason thnen to support the companies or groups effort to exist...

I love the idea of every body being nice and getting along. Gun registration isn't per say a bad thing, but way to many governments used the lists when the governments turned against their people. Human nature, something gets built or collected it tends to get used. I like the idea of small government, small companies and limiting any leverage either can amass by collecting information about people. I don't want the government or companies to know how much money I have or what I did today or last week. I don't trust even the most noble group of hackers to run a system like that and not have it taken over buy some business or government. There is just to much to gain by taking it over and a huge amount of effort and cost to keep it running. Besides, it's not about who is on top as much as it is about who is on the bottom giving the top people power.....
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^^^All of you are communists. Very Happy

Or at least your pedigrees might dictate.

Let the people get what they want with their {High Spiritual Entity}-given rights.
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sleepsleep wrote:
i was thinking like this.

how bout we ditch money concept but we use "zero #" concept.

eg.

everybody start with 0

so, if A by a new pc (#600) from B, then A would get #600- and B get #600+

so, the best situation is near zero, and we set a maximum of #30,000+ as the limit of # you can own, and #30,000- as the minimum you must go out and provide service and get back to 0.

so, every transaction that you did on counter or whatever place will show your # that you own/owed currently, and people can based on that to whether let you have it or ask you to do something first.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

let say we build a database with 100 new participant email and their public key and their 0 balance (let say everybody is new, so their balance is 0)

so, how do we check balance so on and so forth..

ok, the idea is like this.

the database is updated every X hours and through p2p torrent network,

let say,

i go to the shop to buy a #600 pc,
i tell the shop where is my file located (assumed we got lot of database in future), so, the software get the latest database from p2p network, then using my public key, it send an email to my secure wallet software that just like an email software), i read it reply back with agree statement willing to pay #600 for the stuff)

the shop received payment confirmation, then he forward the mail to "torrent bank database management system" then this BANK (kinda different bank) will update both balance and release the torrent database in next scheduled time to p2p network.

ok, i think this is brilliant and should fucking work... since the "torrent bank database management system" is open source and nobody it jobs is UPDATE the balance, thats all.....


You are not serious are you ?
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I live near the silicon valley, even if you don't, it doesn't take a lot to see a large number of the people in power started out as hackers, started a company, things boomed and they became the people they hated as hackers. Maybe it's just that the ones who wanted money and power took it and those who didn't don't control things.

i agree, power corrupts and total power corrupts totally.
then we need idea on how to decentralize the whole thing

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I don't want the government or companies to know how much money I have

in current system, all banks know our account balance, they cross check with other bankers when we apply for loan.

so, whatever system it might be (in future), they (TPTB) still need to assert our values/contribution through "something" so as to come into a conclusion whether we "worth it" for this loan/request/or whatever our demand.

right now, this balance information is hold by bank, and gov can request anytime the balance of targeted person/organization, it is we, the civilian who trust bank with our saving that allow them to come into such power.

another reason is, we got very limited alternative choices, let say we take paypal as an example, as long as it is an organization, it can still be targeted/pressure by gov to dumps out all information.

what if the whole system is managed by nobody or manage by everybody, they are the user and they are the manager.
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typedef wrote:

You are not serious are you ?

i am not serious,,, or you want me to say i am serious? or not serious? ... but who cares.
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typedef wrote:
^^^All of you are communists. Very Happy

Or at least your pedigrees might dictate.

Let the people get what they want with their {High Spiritual Entity}-given rights.



what is boring in humanity, is that everything is still labelled.

if you think that, you are that, if you think this, you are this.

but it is not true.

we are all unique, and even with same ideas, we are not the same personn, not the same opinion.

everybody is unique in a very deep scale.

at least, i am unique, and no label can describe what i am.
maybe it is not the case for everybody, maybe they all are labeled, and standardised, but me, not. really not at all.

then, i can say, i am not communist, not capitalist, not socialist, not ecologist, nothing of any of theses fucking labels. in humanity, label is the better way to make war.
capitalist against communist.

sorry, find another enemy.
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sleepsleep wrote:
30,000- as the minimum you must go out and provide service
Shocked Shocked Shocked

What sort of servicing did you have in mind exactly?
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Alphonso wrote:
sleepsleep wrote:
30,000- as the minimum you must go out and provide service
Shocked Shocked Shocked

What sort of servicing did you have in mind exactly?


i think he means General Interest Work. or something like this...


but am i the only one to find the society debugging an impossible task?

remember the difference beetwen animals and humans.

we have history transmission, something really dumb because it will maintain some wars. for example, the arab VS jews war, that last since so many centuries...

we have enough memory to remember that we have enemies, to remember who ownw the eart, to have nationalism, etc... etc...

no, francklly, history is something that animals don't have, and i am proud to love animal life. better than human life.

fucking god, just have a look to the differences beetwen us and them. and you will see how much we are dumb.

history, remember your enemy, and continue the past activities of our fucking dumb ancestors. yeah, continue it, give the future some dates to remember, something like 6 june 1944, like 1st may 1968, like 11th september 2001...

give the humanity a lot of importance, where the universe is based on the million year scale, we are completelly masturbating with our fucking news reports generated each second.

this is just something here to give us importance. but we don't have any. even a king is a fucking poo machine that will die, and be eaten by worms...
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edfed wrote:

sorry, find another enemy.


The fact that you think I'm looking for an enemy makes you even more of what I said Very Happy. Because that is what "they" do. "They" don't know how to take jokes.
Rolling Eyes
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What sort of servicing did you have in mind exactly?

some exercise? Very Happy Very Happy

edfed wrote:

we are all unique, and even with same ideas, we are not the same personn, not the same opinion.

everybody is unique in a very deep scale.

agree

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fucking god, just have a look to the differences beetwen us and them. and you will see how much we are dumb.

but if given a choice in next incarnation, i still want to be a human.... how bout u?
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be a planet, an eagle or a tree...

i think it can be a very good feeling to be a "non thinking" life form.
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