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Madis731



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AVX is so ahead of AMD Smile


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Post 28 Jul 2011, 06:36
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And presumably:

AVX is faster than AMD?
AVX uses more energy than AMD?
AVX requires more maintenance than AMD?
AVX is more expensive than AMD?
AVX has a larger footprint than AMD?
AVX is less fun than AMD?
Post 28 Jul 2011, 09:34
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vid
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As a past road cyclist, I can tell that AMD is using AVX create a bubble, which makes it much easier for AMD to go on.
Post 28 Jul 2011, 10:48
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And as soon as AVX stops then AMD will crash and die.
Post 28 Jul 2011, 10:59
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If AVX's technology is based upon a Ford station wagon we're all in trouble.
Post 28 Jul 2011, 13:41
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Post 28 Jul 2011, 18:23
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JohnFound



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I think that the only goal of all processors after 2002 is to be able to run the latest, highly overbloated OSes like Windows and almost all Linuxes. The main profit from these processor was the milions of dollars for the hardware manufacturers, spended for hardware upgrates.
So, I am fan of Vortex86 Razz
Post 28 Jul 2011, 19:10
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Madis731



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On a more serious note, there has been progress both in IPC and power efficiency, which is pronounced in one of the fresh articles from Tom's Hardware. Take note that all CPUs are clocked to 3.0GHz and also compare the years
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Post 28 Jul 2011, 19:22
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AsmGuru62



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I disagree.

Windows bloated exactly as needed to dominate the market.
And the market is what counts at the end.
With capacity of today's HDs (we're in TeraBytes range people!) - no problem at all.

However, learning some new architechture is fun!
Post 28 Jul 2011, 19:29
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AsmGuru62 wrote:
(we're in TeraBytes range people!)


I am not, btw. It is a matter or principles. The computer I am writing from, have 10G hard disk with Win98SE. Razz
Well, my netbook have 160G hard disk. Embarassed
The "market" is a vicious circle - the overbloated software needs new hardware. The new hardware allows more overbloated software. The work user can complete remains the same.
Post 28 Jul 2011, 19:39
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r22



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You guys are using computers now?!
I write messages on this forum with a 300 baud modem and a telegraph machine i rigged up to send out the zeros and ones.

Beeping http headers is a pain and 300 baud is a strain on my fingers!
Post 28 Jul 2011, 20:03
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Alphonso



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garystampa wrote:
If AVX's technology is based upon a Ford station wagon we're all in trouble.


For AMD it'll be based on a bulldozer, then those guys in the Ford might get a little worried seeing that coming up from behind them. Laughing
Post 29 Jul 2011, 00:41
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edfed



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seems that core i7 is just a little faster than i5.
then, as told by the tom's hw article, save money, buy the new i5! Wink
Post 29 Jul 2011, 00:46
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edfed wrote:
seems that core i7 is just a little faster than i5.
then, as told by the tom's hw article, save money, buy the new i5! Wink
I fully agree here. For a while now I have seen that the i5 has many desirable attributes and provides better value for money compared the the i7. If you find that your PC is always at 100% CPU usage and just can't produces results quick enough then perhaps the i7 would be a better match, but realistically not many people have that sort of requirement.
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Enko



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Quote:

you find that your PC is always at 100% CPU usage

it's time to reinstall your windowz Rolling Eyes

what about via processors?

I had a small horrible experience with a VIA C7 M Mobile Processor inside a hp netbook mini 2133 with aliminium case.

Believe me, I could put the netbook upside down and make me a real good fried egg. cpu at 100% and the temp goes about 70C.
And the cpu was 100% all the time. Compiling some huge project with vcpp even watching youtube (after that, I learned that flash videos use more cpu then divx/dvd)
Post 29 Jul 2011, 03:31
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JohnFound



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I can't see any problems with CPU on 100% use. The machines should be used on 100%. Smile However overheating means that the machine was not designed to be used on 100%. So, you pay for 2GHz CPU, but effectively you can use it maximum like 1GHz, because of overheating. It looks like fraud for me.
Post 29 Jul 2011, 07:45
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Madis731



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Yes, TDP is very important and with correct cooling installed, you MUST be able to use full potential. I hope in 10 years we will see VIA as +1 contender for the x86 market. 2 is a lot like monopoly, 3 at least has the advantage that in democratic situations, there are always 67% vs 33%, no ties.
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