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BOTOKILLER

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BOTOKILLER 27 Jul 2011, 12:08

Hi everyone!
Yeah, I figured out how paging interacts with segments - LDT Very Happy

Where can I find LDT tutorial???

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27 Jul 2011, 12:08

DJ Mauretto

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DJ Mauretto 27 Jul 2011, 12:17

Always Intel Manuals Wink

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27 Jul 2011, 12:17

BOTOKILLER

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BOTOKILLER 27 Jul 2011, 12:25

Which one???

27 Jul 2011, 12:25

f2

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f2 27 Jul 2011, 12:31

BOTOKILLER wrote:

Which one???

Intel Architecture Software Developer’s Manual Volume 3: System Programming Guide

Hope you will search by yourself next time...

27 Jul 2011, 12:31

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edfed 27 Jul 2011, 13:02

BOTOKILLER wrote:

Which one???

the fact that you ask it means you did not read any.

hurry up! download ALL the manuals, don't forget to rename the pdf files with the true title of the volume, because a number is not very easy to remember.

and read all the manuals. you are not forced to read everything, but at least, try to overview the main topics of the manuals, and you will have a lot less question to ask.

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27 Jul 2011, 13:02

BOTOKILLER

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BOTOKILLER 27 Jul 2011, 13:12

edfed wrote:

BOTOKILLER wrote:
Which one???

the fact that you ask it means you did not read any.

hurry up! download ALL the manuals, don't forget to rename the pdf files with the true title of the volume, because a number is not very easy to remember.

and read all the manuals. you are not forced to read everything, but at least, try to overview the main topics of the manuals, and you will have a lot less question to ask.

I read them, In fact they are opened in a few tabs of chrome which I never close...

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27 Jul 2011, 13:12

BOTOKILLER

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BOTOKILLER 27 Jul 2011, 16:11

I cant find where LDT entry format is mentioned...

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27 Jul 2011, 16:11

f2

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f2 27 Jul 2011, 17:02

it's probably wiritten somewhere in Intel manuals (but I don't know where, I'm not interested about implementing such obsolete things like LDTs).

I have searched the Internet and I found an interesting page about segmentation on x86:
http://book.opensourceproject.org.cn/kernel/kernel3rd/opensource/0596005652/understandlk-chp-2-sect-2.html

27 Jul 2011, 17:02

BOTOKILLER

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BOTOKILLER 28 Jul 2011, 11:53

f2 wrote:

it's probably wiritten somewhere in Intel manuals (but I don't know where, I'm not interested about implementing such obsolete things like LDTs).

I have searched the Internet and I found an interesting page about segmentation on x86:
http://book.opensourceproject.org.cn/kernel/kernel3rd/opensource/0596005652/understandlk-chp-2-sect-2.html

but LDT must somehow point to Page tables...

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28 Jul 2011, 11:53

qandrew

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qandrew 28 Jul 2011, 12:23

BOTOKILLER wrote:

but LDT must somehow point to Page tables...

The LDT isn't related to Paging!

Why? It just isn't. As Wikipedia mentions, "On x86 processors not having paging features, like the Intel 80286, the LDT is essential to implementing separate address spaces for multiple processes.".

You should choose what you want to use: it is either Paging or LDT. Not both at the same time.

28 Jul 2011, 12:23

BOTOKILLER

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BOTOKILLER 28 Jul 2011, 12:37

Then what do I put into CS, DS, SS, etc when paging enabled???

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28 Jul 2011, 12:37

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revolution 28 Jul 2011, 12:44

LDT/GDT defines segments and thus affects CS, DS, etc.

Paging defines access to memory pages and is independent of segments. Most modern OSes effectively disable segmentation by defining all segments to be 4GB (or run in 64 bit mode where there are no segments of consequence (except that pesky GS thing)).

28 Jul 2011, 12:44

BOTOKILLER

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BOTOKILLER 28 Jul 2011, 12:59

So, I just have to put all segments to point to whole address space???
That simple Smile

Thanks guys!!!

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28 Jul 2011, 12:59

f2

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f2 28 Jul 2011, 13:00

Hmm... Well.

I fully agree that you ask lot of questions about something you can't understand. But mostly, you can easily answer these questions:
- by reading carefully the Intel manuals,
- or by following all existing tutorials about OS development.
- and, of course, if you have a question, search on theOSDev Wiki, the FASM board, or on Google. Post here ONLY if you can't find an answer that question.

28 Jul 2011, 13:00

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