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Enko



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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planned_obsolescence

Recentrly I heard this term and tried to read some info about it.

What do you think? is it really used in software/hardware design by corporations?


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Post 18 Jul 2011, 19:02
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typedef



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Can you remove the dot at the end please thank you
Post 18 Jul 2011, 19:28
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As long as I lived half of my life in socialism and half in capitalism, I clearly can see the difference in the products.
The main goal in the socialistic products was to satisfy some user need. It was considered that the ideal product is that one that satisfy the user forever. Of course it was impossible in most cases, but all efforts was oriented in this direction.
Now, the main goal of all manufacturers is to make products that have inherently limited (or even programmable) time of life. It is combined with user training to like "new revolutionary products". Fashion plus advertising makes otherwise fully suitable products obsolete and not needed. The people prefer to buy things even if they don't need them.

In the software domain it is attained by different ways - at first releasing all the time new versions and ending the support for the old versions, so the new hardware can't work with the old software. BTW, this behavior is typical not only for the corporations, but for free software developers as well. It is common to release versions with new glossy, widely advertised, but not very useful features.
Post 18 Jul 2011, 19:35
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typedef, do you have dotphobia? I removed the dot, so you donĀ“t get scared anymore ^^

Quote:

Fashion plus advertising makes otherwise fully suitable products obsolete and not needed. The people prefer to buy things even if they don't need them.

At this hard economical time, I think the public now days is much more limited than lets say 5 years ago.

But, still its true that products come cheaper and chepear quality but with much more advertising.

Its like in the
80s: dude, the cars in the 70s had a more strong sheet metal.
90s: dude, the cars in the 80s had much more steal/metal
new milenia: dude, the cars in the 90s had much more stronger plastic, the plastic now is like a cheap shit
Post 18 Jul 2011, 19:51
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JohnFound, i am totally agree with the second part, that capitalist products are based more in marketing than in quality. But i disagree in the first part, you say that socialist products are the inverse: more quality and less marketing; if that were true, then the USSR would never have fallen, the socialist products do their marketing in their own way, maybe not printed in the box/pack of the product, but with political propaganda, focusing the subsidy given by the regime.
JohnFound wrote:

It was considered that the ideal product is that one that satisfy the user forever. Of course it was impossible in most cases, but all efforts was oriented in this direction.

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Post 18 Jul 2011, 20:02
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ass0, I didn't said the goal was reached. The quality of the goods in the socialist countries was very often like in every other country, or even worse, because, you know, there was an embargo on the new technologies. But the main idea was exactly as I wrote before.
I don't know, what you know about the socialism, but it is not as simple as - quality vs marketing.
In the socialists countries, there was no marketing at all, because it was unnecessary. The relation between humans and goods was different. The goods was simply means, not a goal. There was no fashion for the objects. The main question was: "Is it works?".
Of course with the time (and some advertising) this attitude was changed in most of the people and then the socialism ended very fast, because its economy simply was not suitable to work in this mode.
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Enko wrote:
typedef, do you have dotphobia?

Better to have dotphobia than have the compulsive shit-a-dot-everywhere-you-go disorder. Where you just shit dots everywhere you go, like you do. Very Happy

Your nickname should be polka dots (sounds gay but suits you Very Happy)
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typedef wrote:
Enko wrote:
typedef, do you have dotphobia?

Better to have dotphobia than have the compulsive shit-a-dot-everywhere-you-go disorder. Where you just shit dots everywhere you go, like you do. Very Happy

Your nickname should be polka dots (sounds gay but suits you Very Happy)

hilarious!!!!!
The.dot.was.accidental.
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^^You just shit a load of dots too. Very Happy
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JohnFound wrote:

I don't know, what you know about the socialism, but it is not as simple as - quality vs marketing.
In the socialists countries, there was no marketing at all, because it was unnecessary.

Do Cuba and Venezuela ring a bell?
ass0 wrote:
the socialist products do their marketing in their own way, maybe not printed in the box/pack of the product, but with political propaganda, focusing the subsidy given by the regime.

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What I do to fight the "Planned obsolescence" in software and in RL.
1. I watch TV very rarely and I definitely never watch advertisements, irrespectively how interesting and funny they are.
2. I try to update my software as rarely as possible, especially the OS. There are several rational reasons for update:
2.1. Drivers with better performance.
2.2. Fixing security hole
2.3. Some new feature that I really need for my work.

3. I like to fix things myself as a hobby and to create new things that I need. I can fix (or create new) almost everything in my environment - from the computers, to the furniture.

4. When I need some appliance (TV, mixer or something) I try to buy the one with the best proportion price/quality (by my valuation based on inspection, some try and user opinions from internet).
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I'll add something, do not forget about some improvements that were introduced for example to mechanical design. Development of super-fast computers in the 90s connected with some methods of calculating durability (like FEM) resulted parts with very accurately predicted lifetime.

Example? Mercedes Benz w123 and w124 - extremely reliable, without any breakdowns making mileages over 1 500 000 km (900 000 miles), these models reached almost top of durability. The next generation: w210 isn't even worth commenting, rusting and breaking down very often.

Advanced and accurate computing methods aren't evil, nowadays's cars are lighter (fuel consumption and performance!) and safer than the old ones. The problem is, that brands make money when you buy spare parts and not when you drive ultra-reliable car.
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Car rusting is a problem of the protection technology, not the engineering calculations. It is common manufacturer sin to economy on protection primers, plating etc.
Some of the such problems can be fixed by the user though. Long live DIY movement. Very Happy
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Of course, I'm aware of it (driving an Opel, learned MIG welding due to rust Smile ) but this shows, that MB realized that building cars that last forever isn't the right way to earn.
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malpolud wrote:
driving an Opel, learned MIG welding due to rust Smile


- Do you know why this Opel runs so fast?
- No, why?
- Because is is chased by the rust!
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JohnFound wrote:
malpolud wrote:
driving an Opel, learned MIG welding due to rust Smile


- Do you know why this Opel runs so fast?
- No, why?
- Because is is chased by the rust!


exactly Very Happy its a '93 Corsa 1,2 8v 45 BHp

but, in this case I can't complain to planned obsolescence, no one ever thought that a cheap, low end car will be driven when its 18 y.o. The engine is very reliable, but always when engine is cold I use least throttle possible and change oil every 10kkm/year so it's no wonder.
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Enko



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Isn't it strange that after almost 10 years, Windows XP is the most widly used Microsoft OS?

I read somewhere than after 2013 there will be no support for winxp from microsoft.
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Apple products, that is all.
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