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MHajduk



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sleepsleep wrote:
i think the problem is more to, how am i going to talk about compassion when i am a meat eater?

how am i going to evolve if i have no rejection towards this bloody cruel cycle of meat hunting?
How do you think, why in the most of universal world religions there is such a pressure on self-improvement and learning? The salvation is in knowledge.

"Seek knowledge even in China" as said a prophet, whose words you perfectly know, sleepsleep. Wink

Talking about partial solution of your dilemma: if you can't stand the fact that there are killed our closest relatives (mammals) you can eventually eat fishes, mollusks (frutti di mare) and insects (I'm not kidding here, their bodies are full of exotic and valuable proteins).
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The salvation is in knowledge.

because i see no point in hurting those animals because the whole idea is, nobody want to die.

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"Seek knowledge even in China" as said a prophet, whose words you perfectly know

i don't believe him as a prophet, he is just a human like us, no more and no less... and jesus is no more no less, (if exists) just like us, human and human only.
Post 14 Jul 2011, 14:30
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MHajduk



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sleepsleep wrote:
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The salvation is in knowledge.

because i see no point in hurting those animals because the whole idea is, nobody want to die.
That's right, and if we find a way of "production" of meat (based on cultivation of the animal tissues in artificial environment) there wouldn't be necessary to kill animals for food. No more. The salvation is in knowledge / science, as I said.
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MHajduk wrote:
That's right, and if we find a way of "production" of meat (based on cultivation of the animal tissues in artificial environment) there wouldn't be necessary to kill animals for food.


Hmm suddenly I remembered of Bio-Meat

Warning: it's creepy Wink
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TmX wrote:

Hmm suddenly I remembered of Bio-Meat

like japanese manga,,, gonna read it later Smile thanks
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sleepsleep wrote:
koreans with eating dogs and cats.

http://news.yahoo.com/dog-menu-korea-beat-heat-094612304.html

In india they don't eat cows.
And the Jews don't eat pig.

The cat meat, and the rabbit meat are very similar.

in Occident eating a cat sound like you will burn in vegeterian hell after eating it. But when you say rabbit, it doesn't sound that bad. Becouse rabbits aren't domesticated.

But look how cute are they:


Image

You are eating Bugs bunny!!!!!


I'm not a very good meat eater, where I leave the meat is preaty good. But I steal prefare sausages, hot dog, "embutido" or a cold cut.
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MazeGen



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Me eating horses:

http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=cs&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.makovec.cz%2Fdetail%2F43133-konsky-salam

Well, not really, it is just a local company that makes horse salami.
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Enko



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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortadella

English wikipedia says it has mostly pork meat.
Spanish wikipedia says it hace mostrly hourse meat.(this one is the correct or kind of. It does have hourse meat)

Its a tasty sousage.

magzen, the fotos of the sousages looks really tasty
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I don't think any sausages have meat inside these days. The sausages contains simply "some tissues of animal origin". Very Happy
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Enko



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Enko
JohnFound wrote:
I don't think any sausages have meat inside these days. The sausages contains simply "some tissues of animal origin". Very Happy


I couldn't find the correct word in English. With sausage I don't mean hot dog.
But this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salami
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ham
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mortadella
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pastrami
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matambre


But anyway, I like more hot dogs just of that reason, they only have 25% of some tissues of animal origin like. The rest of 75% I hope its not toilet paper o news paper xD
Post 14 Jul 2011, 20:19
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edfed



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if we can grow meat like we grow plants, then, we can grow pussies, tits and ass. cool! Laughing
Post 14 Jul 2011, 23:06
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JohnFound



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Enko, it is malignant off-topic, but I can't restrain... Smile
Under sausages I mean some intestine, stuffed up with more or less minced meat and then dried, smoked, boiled, fried etc.
The ham is not sausage, neither pastrami is. The steak is not sausage as well. Wink
Anyway for the sausages (because the "meat" is often fine minced and unidentifiable) they use the strangest parts of the animal that can not be sold as a meat. There was some saying about Chicago slaughterhouses that they use the whole pig, except its squeal, but the work continues.
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Enko



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I think I get it now. But what is pastrami, and ham? a Cold cut/Cold meat?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_cut


The problem is that in Spanish, there is a word to reference almoste all of this things: FIAMBRE. (Cold cut in wikipedia, stiff or cold meat google)
And SALCHICHA (alias sausage) is used mostrly for for the thing you put in the hot dog.

And what you reference as sausage I think its an EMBUTIDO here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embutido
(spanish type sausages, so I guess, this is the word)

And toilet paiper mixed with fat, some soy and pepper with a slice of chease: is called Big Mac.


And I don't think its to off-topic, we still talking about meat. Or what we thing is meat.
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Strange, this idea about the toilet paper in the sausages was very popular here, but at the time of socialism - before 1989.
Anyway it is simply an urban myth - there are a lot of substances that are cheaper than toilet paper. It is simply not profitable to be put in the sausages.
Soya, fat, gristle, bones and skin are most common here. Very Happy They only need big enough meat-mincer.
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YONG



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sleepsleep wrote:
this is the weirdest part of our cycle...
Weird?

There is nothing weird about killing animals for food, meal in particular.

Have you ever heard of the famous fable "The Scorpion and the Frog"?

If not, read this adaptation written by a wise man.

It is just our nature to kill.

Wink
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sleepsleep
YONG wrote:

There is nothing weird about killing animals for food, meal in particular.

there is nothing weird or wrong for killing that we accidentally perform, but i just find it kinda cruel to purposely inflict pain on other creatures and why should we continue doing so when it is so obvious that those creatures are in pain?

YONG wrote:

Have you ever heard of the famous fable "The Scorpion and the Frog"?

If not, read this adaptation written by a wise man.

nope, but i read the adaptation written by wise man after google translated it to English Wink

YONG wrote:

It is just our nature to kill.

i disagree.
Post 15 Jul 2011, 09:50
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sleepsleep wrote:
should we continue doing so when it is so obvious that those creatures are in pain?


It is not so obvious. I don't know how about your country, but in my, it is a rule to kill the cattle in most fast and painless way we can. In the industrial facilities, there is even more strict control about this.

So, recently, the animals have better protection than the people. You know it is often completely legal to kill and torture people and it is not mandatory to be painless.
So, the people need protection more than animals Exclamation
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rxantos



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For each day one lives, something must die. Being an animal or a plant.

As for suffering, your immune system kills millions of microbes a day, And I'm sure that many animals where displaced for your place to live. Not only that but, unless you really like cockroaches, chances are you will be actively finding ways to keep them from your home.

But, if you want to kill as little as possible without committing suicide, you could only eat fruits, honey and milk. As well as unfertilized eggs. You immune system will still be killing millions a day, but at least you will not be conscious of it.

As society, we could look into cloning meat (the way we clone skin). That way we do not need to keep animals concentration camps.

But, knowing humanity, this will also means that we will kill whatever animals we have in order to use the space for ourselves. Specially since we live on a capitalistic society. No use for animals = future extinction of them.
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