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Dex4u



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Its seem the EU wants to ban any program that can be used for hacking, as you could code anything with fasm, that could include fasm Crying or Very sad

http://www.networkworld.com/news/2011/061511-eu-ministers-seek-to-ban.html
Post 15 Jun 2011, 19:04
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xleelz



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Well that'd be sorta hard to do, because an Operating System could be used for hacking itself, couldn't it? They'd have to ban all computers
Post 15 Jun 2011, 19:13
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revolution
When all else fails, read the source


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Stupid law is stupid.
Post 15 Jun 2011, 22:57
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vid
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tautology is tautology (most of the time)
Post 15 Jun 2011, 23:05
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typedef



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Anonymous to the rescue....

Evil or Very Mad
Post 15 Jun 2011, 23:25
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Enko



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How do you exactly ban somthing? its still there on the web....

in criminology there's a statment: "no crime, no action"

if you have a knife in your house, it doesn't meen that you are going to stab someone to death. But it's possible.

in other cases, for example if you have in your house some kind print/prress to make fake money... it doesn't mean you will use it ... but still in many countries its illigal becouse this tool have only one purpose: print fake money.
perhaps you could print some posters... but still, the main purpose is to print fake money.
Here I mean a "special" print/prress not the one you go to make some posters.


In the case of tools to create malware...
You can use them to create malware... but it can be for educational purpose... to create a better antivirus perhaps.


And the other statment in criminology: no harm/damage no action.

So if you have malware, untill you use it and harm somebody, there shouldn't be intervention.
In the case of the money printer... the potential harm is so big, that the justice take preventive actions.
Post 16 Jun 2011, 00:21
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edfed



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law is the work of politicians.
just in france, look at the number of categories of laws.

http://admi.net/jo/codes.html

i think there are many more than 40 000 laws, means that they have nothing else to do, invent restrictions and punishments for new actions or possession.

but people don't care, and even if the idea to forbid the dev softwares (impossible thing to do), with time, the public will be conditionned to accept this kind of law, if the goal is to forbid the dev. but it is impossible, too much of the middle class people work in software, then, cannot accept to be concidered hackers punishable by the law.
Post 16 Jun 2011, 00:47
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Enko



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there are many more than 40 000 laws

This huge amount of laws is becouse of the "Civil law (legal system)" that is derived from the Roman law. The idea is to put everything on paper/codex.

My guess is that those who live in English language countries have less.


An yes, its a problem. Many laws, very few of them are "really used"
Post 16 Jun 2011, 01:26
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TmX



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Quote:
This is problematic, as much legal and legitimate software could be put to criminal use by hackers. The draft mentions "malicious software designed to create botnets or unrightfully obtained computer passwords," but goes no further in attempting to clarify what "tools" might be subject to criminal sanctions.


Does Perl count? Laughing
Post 16 Jun 2011, 03:21
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idle



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idle
web-browsers have built-in editors - one can compose harmful there too
will gcc disappear - no
data restoring/analyzing centers - no
will they close educational - no
many...

do not worry ; ]
Post 16 Jun 2011, 04:43
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typedef



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typedef
I can make a JavaScript spam bot for MSN Messenger..Jajajaja...and more website spamers, irc's included..
Post 16 Jun 2011, 05:11
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BOTOKILLER



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BOTOKILLER
They will ban FASM so, that Microsoft can fuck everyone forever!!!))))
Post 16 Jun 2011, 11:19
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Artlav



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Artlav
Ban atoms!
You can make weapons and drugs from them!
Post 16 Jun 2011, 16:42
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Coty



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UE will have to ban any electronic device then wouldn't they? Shocked

I don't think they would ban assemblers or compilers as the tool it's self doesn't do the cracking, but instead compiles the tool that does the cracking.
Post 16 Jun 2011, 17:07
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JoeCoder1



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JoeCoder1
When FASM is outlawed, only outlaws will code in FASM Exclamation Razz Razz Exclamation
Post 16 Jun 2011, 18:38
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gabiz_ro



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gabiz_ro
it's offtopic
but few peoples have some point to this.
Let's say that I print few 500 100 pr 50 Euro and I keep my wallet full of these Smile In second comartiment I have real mony and I use them,fake money are just for fun and I don't use them,they are just for dump people to see them.
I'm guilti?
Why?
Since I don't try to use them, I can even have a picture with a lot of money real or fake but since I don't try to use it I'm clean!
Post 16 Jun 2011, 20:16
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typedef



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typedef
BOTOKILLER wrote:
They will ban FASM so, that Microsoft can fuck everyone forever!!!))))

DukeNuken Forever would be the revenge on M$
Post 16 Jun 2011, 22:15
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