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asmhack



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asmhack
Democracy,
A freakin political system invented some hundrend years BC and still existing unchanged, serving the tyranny of the majority. Isn't it time to update the voting system so that the election results should serve the common interest of the society ? Well the next question is how ? Everything in the voting system seems fair.. ? Or not ?! We love solving problems as much as we like logic.. so here's the challenge forum: Suggest a modification in the voting system that would make it more fair. Good luck.

PS: i'll tell mine in the near future after i see your responses.
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Tyler



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Before you can logically progress to any of that, you must decide who is to decide what is the common interest of society? The majority of the society seems to be the best answer to me. Who's better to judge the common interests of the society than the society itself?

If you're wondering why America's democracy sucks, it's because her people are apathetic and a democracy requires an active and involved populous. A requirement at which we epically fail. Don't blame the system, blame those who run it half-assedly.
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Well that's because we don't operate on the same base.

We have 3 "parties" here in USA.

1. Donkeys
2. Elephants
3. Independent

All the others are just trolls.....

Ohh and BTW,

I'm joining the Tea Party...Hell Yeah !!! I wanna do that woman so bad.. LMAO JK Very Happy
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Are you talking about nailin' pailin? =D

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Hahah... Very Happy


Hot rod Bayyyybeeeeee !

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Post 22 Feb 2011, 05:56
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asmhack



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Tyler wrote:
Before you can logically progress to any of that, you must decide who is to decide what is the common interest of society? The majority of the society seems to be the best answer to me. Who's better to judge the common interests of the society than the society itself?


Here's IMHO a fair suggestion i thought of, the age factor !
Code:
vote = vote * (100 + voting age - age) / 100
    


Because the future is the young generation.. that's the only fact.
Hope someday this will be applied...
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ManOfSteel



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typedef wrote:
I'm joining the Tea Party...Hell Yeah !!! I wanna do that woman so bad.. LMAO JK Very Happy

Who? This one:

?
Post 22 Feb 2011, 14:42
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Yeah....Nice.....

*jacking off to sarah palin*

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you know, politics is just... something made by people unable to do anything else than talk, talk, talk again, about things they don't have any idea about, and the main goal of politics is to make us believe that we need them.

in fact, we need:
food
earth
home
water
fuck
time
fun

i don't see politics in this list.
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sometime i believe,

throw the dice and let it decides which party to rule is the BEST democracy.

believe God, but don't want to let God decides... human kinda weird sometime.

i would say, throw the dice is the BEST way...
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ManOfSteel



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edfed wrote:

you know, politics is just... something made by people unable to do anything else than talk, talk, talk again, about things they don't have any idea about, and the main goal of politics is to make us believe that we need them.

in fact, we need:
food
earth
home
water
fuck
time
fun

i don't see politics in this list.

Careerism, opportunism, sectarianism, etc. are purposeful self-centered and very short-sighted deviations of proper politics.

Politics, from the Greek politicos - relating to the citizens, i.e. roughly everything in your list. If you're not seeing it, it's simply because you're not looking at it holistically.

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sleepsleep wrote:
throw the dice and let it decides which party to rule is the BEST democracy.

Gravity- and friction-based tychaiocracy? No that's pure gambling. Parliamentary gambling is more than enough, so no thanks.

Let experts in each field decide on related technical matters. Let the entire population decide on non-technical matters, through delegates or better directly. Do away with representatives.
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The democracy of the people is not the democracy of the press/media. People vote with their money/time and this has much greater impact than the voting at the polls. Governments cannot sustain without the constant support of the people.

For example, if no one obeys a law what good is it? If no one reports what they are doing to government counters how will any of their conclusions have any meaning? Governments should change, or die and be reborn anew.


(Of course, I'm not suggesting anyone break any laws, or not be in complete compliance with government regulations and policies - that would be illegal.)
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asmhack wrote:
Isn't it time to update the voting system so that the election results should serve the common interest of the society ?


The common interest, the greater good, to each according to their need from each according to their ability Smile How do you define or come to an agreement on what is in the interest of society? Lets vote on it Smile

asmhack wrote:
Suggest a modification in the voting system that would make it more fair.


More fair? Do we make things more fair by making some people more equal?

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asmhack wrote:
...serving the tyranny of the majority....


Great if it was true, but it is not. And it never were.
Post 05 Apr 2011, 06:00
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asmhack



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JohnFound wrote:
asmhack wrote:
...serving the tyranny of the majority....


Great if it was true, but it is not. And it never were.


Yes it never were till BC, till taxes and banks.. now it's time to update "democracy", unless you leave in utopia.


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Post 05 Apr 2011, 09:50
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roboman wrote:

The common interest, the greater good, to each according to their need from each according to their ability Smile How do you define or come to an agreement on what is in the interest of society? Lets vote on it Smile


If voting could change actually something then it wouldn't exist by the time now, that's why people can't vote for critical issues, just for the color of the desired president.. and that's the freedom of course, choosing between pepsi and coca.
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That's why the Smile and the sarcasm. The people who want power take it, the majority of the rest want to be taken care of and have tokens of freedom...
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Politics Explained
Quote:

FEUDALISM: You have two cows. Your lord takes some of the milk.

PURE SOCIALISM: You have two cows. The government takes them and puts them in a barn with everyone else's cows. You have to take care of all of the cows. The government gives you as much milk as you need.

BUREAUCRATIC SOCIALISM: You have two cows. The government takes them and put them in a barn with everyone else's cows. They are cared for by ex-chicken farmers. You have to take care of the chickens the government took from the chicken farmers. The government gives you as much milk and eggs as the regulations say you need.

FASCISM: You have two cows. The government takes both, hires you to take care of them and sells you the milk.

PURE COMMUNISM: You have two cows. Your neighbors help you take care of them, and you all share the milk.

RUSSIAN COMMUNISM: You have two cows. You have to take care of them, but the government takes all the milk.

CAMBODIAN COMMUNISM: You have two cows. The government takes both of them and shoots you.

DICTATORSHIP: You have two cows. The government takes both and drafts you.

PURE DEMOCRACY: You have two cows. Your neighbors decide who gets the milk.

REPRESENTATIVE DEMOCRACY: You have two cows. Your neighbors pick someone to tell you who gets the milk.

BUREAUCRACY: You have two cows. At first the government regulates what you can feed them and when you can milk them. Then it pays you not to milk them. Then it takes both, shoots one, milks the other and pours the milk down the drain. Then it requires you to fill out forms accounting for the missing cows.

PURE ANARCHY: You have two cows. Either you sell the milk at a fair price or your neighbors try to take the cows and kill you.

LIBERTARIAN/ANARCHO-CAPITALISM: You have two cows. You sell one and buy a bull.

SURREALISM: You have two giraffes. The government requires you to take harmonica lessons.

(Original source unknown . . . this version expanded and Illuminated by SJ.)
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freedom: you live in harmony with cows, you help them to fight parasites, and they give you milk, some nights of full moon, you have great discusions with them close to the fire, and share with them some precious enjoying moments.
Smile
real freedom: you do what you want, with or without cows.

real democracy (actual): you can't have cows because you are a specialised employee that does only one thing in all his life. even if you have cows, you should declare them, and pay a tax on it because it is concidered as a money ressource, but if cows in an antipode farm comes to be hill, you should kill yours and burn them in a principle of precaution, don't forget you should declare every ton of herb eaten by the cows, and buy monsanto food. you should get a doctor to ascult your cow periodically, and mark your cows with chips.

prehistoric times: you can build your tent anywhere, and you don't have to pay anything to anybody, just be strong enough to fight your enemies...

i prefer prehistoric times mixed with real freedom.
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