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having sex....


i don't oppose intercourse, but i think love if far far beyond what we could display through intercourse...
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not only.

for example, one proof that human is not so human is the fact of money.

like food for animals, money give us some instinct.
and what instinct?

the instinct of earning money, more money, even when we don't need more.

like animals that need to eat, even if they don't need to eat more.
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We're just highly evolved animals, but other than that ...

What's your point exactly? Did the cleric tell you we had some special transcendental relation to God? O_o Smack him for me next time you see him. Smile
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the instinct of earning money, more money, even when we don't need more.

imo, earning money is kinda "hobby"... they earn it because they got NOTHING else to do if they STOP doing what they're doing right now.

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What's your point exactly?

we could evolve, but we sort of "prefer" to stay in animal level.... and that is kinda waste... maybe due to the fact that we haven't found another kind of ecstasy that comparable to love making. (or those ecstasy are hard to approach, eg. meditation)
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sleepsleep wrote:
we could evolve, ...
How? What is it that we are doing / not doing that stops us evolving?
sleepsleep wrote:
... but we sort of "prefer" to stay in animal level.... and that is kinda waste...
Why is that a waste? What is wrong with being an animal?


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Post 13 Jan 2011, 13:16
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revolution is true, what is wrong with being an animal?

just look at what is human.

money
politic
technology
medias
alcoholism
drugs
army
war
prostitution
work for money

do you know any animal with only one of our particularity.

i'd prefer to not exist, but it is too late, now, i am forced to live my human life, even if i dislike it.
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do you know any animal with only one of our particularity.

Surely. At least politics, alcoholism/drugs and army/wars are present in other animals than humans. As for money, chimps can understand concept of trading various quantities of desired goods (food) for something they desire too (in particular experiment I've read about, it was pornography). Of course amount they were willing to trade depended on subjective quality of porn offered.
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Yeah, monkey porn rules. WTF! How do you "trade" food for porn with a monkey? Give the monkey a DVD to play on its home-tree theatre system?

Bonus questions: What does a monkey do while watching money porn? Does the monkey invite his/her friends over to watch also?

vid: Linky, or it didn't happen.
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http://www.nature.com/news/2005/050131/full/news050131-5.html

This should be the study itself, I admit not having read it, despite its vast social importance Smile
http://download.cell.com/current-biology/pdf/PIIS096098220500093X.pdf
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i'd like to not be compared to monkey.

there is not any comparision point.
they are just the same as us, no need to compare then.

when i speak about animals, take for example, the really different species, like lions, elephants, wales, spiders, and then, just see that we (humans and primates) have really bad instincts.
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Even non-primates love getting wasted... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohgqRRLjBsg
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sleepsleep wrote:
we could evolve, but we sort of "prefer" to stay in animal level

Okay I understand. We could evolve and we should evolve. I guess you meant on a spiritual level. But I think it should also be on a physical level. Our future depends on it.
The only way for us as a species to "stay alive" and continue our journey is... to die. I know it's paradoxical, but Humanity will not live forever. Cataclysms on a planetary and systemic (i.e. solar system) levels will definitely eradicate us. The question is not "if", it's "when". And we can't possibly spread through the galaxy, let alone the rest of the universe in our present, organic, limited form. It's just impossible. We must evolve, radically and artificially, into something that isn't human anymore. Otherwise we are doomed to disappear.


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edfed wrote:
just look at what is human.

money
politic
technology
medias
alcoholism
drugs
army
war
prostitution
work for money

do you know any animal with only one of our particularity.

Some animals have been observed that trade sex for nest materials, protection, etc. That's animal prostitution for ya.

All social animals have some sort of politics and policy making. Many aspects of human societies have been observed even in primitive species: communitarianism, repartition of tasks between members of the community, the importance of authority, centralized vs decentralized/flat structures, rigid or flexible social caste systems, duels as a method of choosing leaders and settling disputes, etc.
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revolution is true, what is wrong with being an animal?

there is absolutely nothing wrong with being an animal, it just if we could move forward to evolve to beyond current human stage, why we persist with this level?

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How? What is it that we are doing / not doing that stops us evolving?

beside technology advances in our current lifetime, what else actually get evolve in our physical term, consciousness, reasoning, possessiveness, politic, human relationship, our food sources?

there is nothing that stop us, it just we haven't move forward.

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i'd prefer to not exist, but it is too late, now, i am forced to live my human life, even if i dislike it.

but we could change, evolve, perfection is impossible, but if we could get around 80% then, maybe we will have another insight on how to obtain 90% Smile

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We must evolve, radically and artificially, into something that isn't human anymore. Otherwise we are doomed to disappear.

or human ver 2.0 Smile something like that.
Post 13 Jan 2011, 19:25
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sleepsleep wrote:
if we could move forward to evolve to beyond current human stage, why we persist with this level?
Yes, we could.

We could move forward through rational thinking.

We could move forward through evidence-based inquiries.

We could move forward through rigorous scientific research.

But we could NEVER move forward through BLIND FAITH! Wink
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sleepsleep wrote:
or human ver 2.0 Smile something like that.

It will be a complete redesign and only few characteristics will be preserved, so we can call it whatever we want but I doubt it will call itself Human.
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But we could NEVER move forward through BLIND FAITH!

i agree Wink

so, what you think are those few characteristics...?
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in fact, the human V2.0 still exists, but the world is like the internet, full of spam and viruses. and it leads human V2.0 to adapt itself to the context, and dive down to the level of the majority. human v1.1
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sleepsleep wrote:
so, what you think are those few characteristics...?

Discard the organic body already. Also, most ideas stored in memory are not worth keeping for a simple reason: they are, in comparison, the product of an inferior intellect and a physically limited organism.
The only thing worth preserving is the mind, so I guess the most important things are 1) the algorithms that make the few preserved ideas possible and 2) the collective human knowledge. These would make for a good starting point.
It goes without saying that the resulting superintelligence, would itself optimize or reprogram those algorithms and most probably discard the inherited ideas. That resulting being takes evolution fully into its own "hands" and revolutionizes itself.
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most ideas stored in memory are not worth keeping for a simple reason: they are, in comparison, the product of an inferior intellect and a physically limited organism.

good Wink
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