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sleepsleep



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sleepsleep
mind boggling, since our universe keeps on expanding and creating more "space",, so whats there before the space?
Post 25 Nov 2010, 08:46
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ManOfSteel



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Nothing according to the universe theory, another universe according to the multiverse theory.
Post 25 Nov 2010, 11:15
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Artlav



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Think of a party balloon.
Our universe is the surface of the balloon (only a 4D one), so there is no outside in a conventional sense.

In the other sense, there is outside (of the balloon), with our past, and inside with our future, neither of which is directly reachable by looking into depths of space.

Depending on your favourite theory, there could also be 2^6 (or 7, if total dimension count is 11) other directions, that could be termed outsides, containing other universes and Schroedinger knows what else.
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sleepsleep
weird, so weird....................
Post 25 Nov 2010, 12:33
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MazeGen



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There's another universe that keeps destroying. All the mass of our universe comes from recycled planets, threes, animals and humans from the other universe.
Post 25 Nov 2010, 13:13
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asmhack



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Tour Through Reality
The Pictures Speak For Themselves
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8Aurpr68uE
worth watching till the end Wink
after that, you will get your answer
Post 25 Nov 2010, 13:29
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3200th



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Cosmos may show echoes of events before Big Bang

Check this out.

Conformal cyclic cosmology seems to be the answer. Wink
Post 29 Nov 2010, 14:38
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Artlav



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3200th wrote:
Cosmos may show echoes of events before Big Bang

Check this out.

Conformal cyclic cosmology seems to be the answer. :wink:
Huh? I thought it was a "Stargate: Universe" show plot?
Post 29 Nov 2010, 14:56
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edfed



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the videos about the known universe all state that it looks like neuron connexions.

then, the conclusion is that the known universe is a very huge brain.

but the brain of what animal?

god?


another misconception about what we see is the fact of light speed.
the light speed makes distortions in the view of the universe.

means that instead of being spirals, maybe galaxies are crosses, or snow crystals.

maybe it means too that what we see from our planet doesn't exist now, and means that in fact, universe is still dead.

if the light from far galaxies takes 1000 years to come, it means that a mirror at this distance will show us how was the earth 2000 years ago.

if the time is something like binary that reloops, we just have to look in the far universe to see our future...

hem...

and if i don't find a job, i will not earn money.
Post 29 Nov 2010, 15:12
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YONG



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edfed, your theory has finally been proven to be correct:

"The end is the beginning; the beginning is the end."

Wink
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ouadji



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whatever the answer, there will always ...

What was there before ?

before ? There was that ! ... yes, but before that ?
before that, there was that ! ... yes, but before that ?
...

The definitive answer don't exist, and will never exist.
The only way to answer is the spirituality.

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Post 30 Nov 2010, 10:44
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JohnFound



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ouadji, the fact you don't know the answer doesn't means there is no answer at all.
Post 30 Nov 2010, 10:50
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ouadji



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ouadji

I never said there was no answer.
But whatever the answer ...
tomorrow or in 10 billion years ...

I'll be there to ask: "Yes, ok, but before ?"

The definitive answer don't exist, and will never exist.

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Post 30 Nov 2010, 11:06
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ManOfSteel



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ouadji wrote:
whatever the answer, there will always ...

What was there before ?

before ? There was that ! ... yes, but before that ?
before that, there was that ! ... yes, but before that ?

Then maybe you've misunderstood the idea behind and the implications of the cyclic model of Penrose, Turok and others -- a theory as mathematically valid as any other (e.g. Big Bang).
Whether it's based on string/M-theory or not, it always makes any "what's before" (and "what's after") thesis irrelevant. Indeed, a single universe/Big Bounce might very well have a finite time, but the cycle itself has been and will be going on in the past and future indefinitely.

ouadji wrote:
The definitive answer don't exist, and will never exist.

And Man can't fly because he has no wings.

ouadji wrote:
The only way to answer is the spirituality.

On the contrary, spirituality answers absolutely nothing. It's the refuge of the ostrich. It's for people who grew tired of thinking.
"Answering" things by saying they don't exist or that Humanity is too dumb to comprehend or that only "God" knows and whatnots is like not answering at all. No actually, it's worse, it's purposeful misleading.
So let's bring on the caveman mentality and solve all the universe's mysteries once and for all! Smile
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edfed



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the definitive answer exists, depend on what you define as definitive, answer, the, exist, don't.

we cannot think more than for what is designed our brian.

even if you think you are the smartest human of the universe, you are nothing compared to a planet.

and i definitivelly hate scientists.

you know why?

because they are so dumb that they believe they are smart, they can spend hours on math problems, with total abstraction of what they compute, and finally, will create nuclear bomb.. or else.

and they believe (of course) that they are the elite of humanity.

then, just for that, all that scientists said about universe are nonsense.

i say that universe is infinite
it reloops in space and time
it reloops in dimensions the huge becomes the little
our universe is somewhere on the planet, maybe the brain of somebody.
then, if we kill this guy, the universe will start desintegration.

and as scientists are dumb, don't say this to them, or they will seek the human who have the universe in his mind, and do tests on him just to have a nobel.

fuck scientists.
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JohnFound



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The definitive answer don't exist, and will never exist.


That is because the question is incorrect. Correct questions always have definitive answers. Incorrect questions (even if they sounds pretty reasonable) of course, don't have any correct answer.
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ouadji



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here's the good question ...

Why is there something rather than nothing ?

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Post 30 Nov 2010, 14:25
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edfed



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there are more nothing than something.

there are more vaccum than mater. it's a fact.
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ouadji wrote:
Why is there something rather than nothing ?


This is actually typical "incorrect" question. Actually any answer is suitable for this question, simply because you don't have criterion to check whether the answer is right or not.
So, one possible answer is: "Because 42": You can argue that this is not the answer, but you can't proof it. (neither I to proof this is the true answer).
Post 30 Nov 2010, 14:46
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asmhack



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ouadji wrote:

here's the good question ...

Why is there something rather than nothing ?


Because nothing can not exist ? (well in human's mind it can..)
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