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edfed



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yeahhhhhhhhhh!!!

soon, 10 000 french surfers will receive a letter from the government, involving them to be punished, the brand new Hadopi law, covering author rights for music and movies will enter in action.

and guess why?

just because some singers, actors and producers are crying, they don't earn enough money.

just imagine the misery, britney spears cannot buy another domain, lenny kravitz cannot buy another yatch, just because you, dear french people, are downloading their shit instead of buying them for 15€ (~15$), what a shame, i am really revolted by this lack of justice, and i find it completelly natural to have a complete scan of my PC from the government.

add to this th pedo pornography (as an argument for more control) and you have Hadopi.

i like the modern times, we never have the time to think about the world, the universe, etc, because everydays, they add an abstract problem.


then, for those who are french (like me), stop the download, or you will pay a lot of money and time.


and as i am edfed (the worse human in the world) i will continue to download, and buy a Hard drive, just to download a lot of things i don't care, just to see how will be the government mail. i am really curious. will it have the stamp of the "ministère de l'interieur", the "ministere de la culture", "de la santé"? i am really curious, will the letter be in a particular paper, like silk paper? papyrus? or with little gold chars to show the importance of this mail???


then, if someone know a country where hadopi cannot be applied, i invite them to center the uploads.

each french should give the file to upload to a suedish or else, each file should be encrypted using a random algorythm.
Post 10 Sep 2010, 14:46
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Maybe the government should tax all Internet connections for "entertainment" and pay the entertainers? Then they could allow people to freely download whatever they want. Of course that also has problems, some people that don't download will get taxed for nothing.
Post 10 Sep 2010, 15:53
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Somehow edfeds post reminds me of this song... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGM8PT1eAvY

@revolution, if it becomes fully ok to download, and they are paying for it, they probably would. But then again you would have some rockstar suing the goverment because he is a better singer than some banjo playing elephant on a unicycle wearing a top hat... OH NO! God forbid a very entertaining animal gets paid the same as ME!
Post 10 Sep 2010, 16:13
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It will probably never happen, but ...

It can easily be possible to count the number of unique downloads and pay accordingly. Bittorrent clients wouldn't be needed since faster dedicated servers would be more accessible, hence tracking/counting would be simple. Entertainers can register their work and make it available for download then sit back and wait for the money to roll in. People just grab what they fancy without caring about payment problems.
Post 10 Sep 2010, 16:21
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rev as always comes with a great idea of his name...


P.S. I still kinda wonder, how much effort will it take to put Them revolving somewhere else?..
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thats why when you spend even 0.01 on data (movie/music/program) for personal use ur fucking traitor and deserve to die.

Ok maybe little overkill, but u get the idea.
In not people who would buy, those things would not have happen.

If i would have been given a choice between paying and not having, i would choose second.
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baldr



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revolution wrote:
Maybe the government should tax all Internet connections for "entertainment" and pay the entertainers?
I'm really enjoying visiting this board. I'd be happy to be taxed in such way that Tomasz and other contributors (including you ;-)) will get their proper share of that tax.
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One of my favorite arguments. From the one side, if a group of people invest a bunch of money and time in making something shouldn't they own it and have the right to decide what to do with it, how much to charge for it, to give it away free if they want and shouldn't those rights be defended. The other side: Information needs to be free, many receive way to much for the efforts they put out, my extra copy cost the creators nothing so that's what they should get. Always a fun argument.
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baldr



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roboman wrote:
…Information needs to be free…
Why do you think so? Information itself barely can have any needs.
Post 11 Sep 2010, 20:25
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edfed



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baldr wrote:
revolution wrote:
Maybe the government should tax all Internet connections for "entertainment" and pay the entertainers?
I'm really enjoying visiting this board. I'd be happy to be taxed in such way that Tomasz and other contributors (including you Wink) will get their proper share of that tax.


i really doubt of that.

this fu**ing law isn't dedicated to contributors, but dedicated to:

music & movies producers & artists like:
-britney spears
-lenny kravitz
-mickael jakson (dead)
-elvis presley (dead)
-jim morrison (dead)
-bob marley (dead)
-garou
-johnny halliday
-linkin park
-will smith
-chris carter
-james cameron
-steven spielberg
-georges lucas
-cameron diaz
-universal
-sony
-emi
-virgin
-etc etc


i don't see the names of TG or richard tallman there. Laughing

brieflly, this law is made for people who don't need more money.
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edfed wrote:
this fu**ing law isn't dedicated to contributors, but dedicated to:

music & movies producers & artists like:
-britney spears
-lenny kravitz
-mickael jakson (dead)
-elvis presley (dead)
-jim morrison (dead)
-bob marley (dead)
-garou
-johnny halliday
-linkin park
-will smith
-chris carter
-james cameron
-steven spielberg
-georges lucas
-cameron diaz
-universal
-sony
-emi
-virgin
-etc etc

You forgot the most important: the French distribution/retailing industry leaders such as Fnac and others of Sarkozy's* friends and masters.

* Not that others are better/different...
Post 12 Sep 2010, 08:20
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ManOfSteel wrote:
edfed wrote:
this fu**ing law isn't dedicated to contributors, but dedicated to:

music & movies producers & artists like:
-britney spears
-lenny kravitz
-mickael jakson (dead)
-elvis presley (dead)
-jim morrison (dead)
-bob marley (dead)
-garou
-johnny halliday
-linkin park
-will smith
-chris carter
-james cameron
-steven spielberg
-georges lucas
-cameron diaz
-universal
-sony
-emi
-virgin
-etc etc

You forgot the most important: the French distribution/retailing industry leaders such as Fnac and others of Sarkozy's* friends and masters.

* Not that others are better/different...


-fnac
-UGC
-pathé
-dreamworks
-microsoft
-adobe
-norton
-TF1
-Canal+
-France Television
-Skyrock
-NRJ
-etc, etc

in fact, everyones who have a foot in a government, are gears of a government, or are owned by a government.

thanks for the precision.
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This is much more shameful:

France's Senate backs National Assembly and bans women from wearing the burka in public

People should be allowed to wear whatever they want to. The government have no right to force people to expose parts of their body in public if those people do not wish to do so.

Since this new law seems to be directed towards women only then the men should go out in public wearing burkas as a protest.
Post 16 Sep 2010, 01:49
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Tyler



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revolution wrote:

Since this new law seems to be directed towards women only then the men should go out in public wearing burkas as a protest.

Who says it has to be for protest?
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guignol



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revolution wrote:
The government have no right to force people to expose parts of their body in public if those people do not wish to do so.
Right... They only have the right to force people to cover parts of their body in public, even if those do not wish to.

revolution wrote:
People should be allowed to wear whatever they want to.
True... true... (nothing included)

Label!
Or wait... not a label, but an invitation to participate, hm?
revolution wrote:
Since this new law seems to be directed towards women only then the men should go out in public wearing burkas as a protest.
Perverted conclusion. Which typically comes from labeling (you know, to support it).


Quote:
The Conseil d'Etat, France's highest administrative body, advised in May against the legislation because there is ‘no incontestable legal basis’ for a nationwide ban on veils.

The bill was carefully worded to try and avoid such legal problems. It is called ‘Forbidding the Dissimulation of the Face in the Public Space’, and makes no mention of the words ‘woman’ or ‘veil’.

Because France is a secular society there are no mentions of the words ‘Muslim’ nor ‘Islam’ either.
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revolution wrote:
This is much more shameful:

France's Senate backs National Assembly and bans women from wearing the burka in public

People should be allowed to wear whatever they want to. The government have no right to force people to expose parts of their body in public if those people do not wish to do so.

Since this new law seems to be directed towards women only then the men should go out in public wearing burkas as a protest.


yep!

some male rebels (like me) should wear burkas, just to mean to the "conseil d'etat' that we fuck their laws. and what is funny is that police cannot arrest a man who wear burkas. Very Happy but women, yes. Laughing

but something is ok for me to forbid the burka.
burka is mainly the symbol of islam domination on womens. means that i am a little agree with this law.

but at this moment, the priority is really not the burka, islam or else.

in france, the real problem is:
no future for the future generations.

it is simple to explain, elitism creates a frontier.
if you want to be part of the great system, act for it, be in it, you should be the best, the better, the clever.
and all other are simply banned, enclosed in poor jobs, clean the street, prepare commands for supermarkets, drag'n'drop cement in a bulding, solder components on boards, but don't know at all why they do the job, and for what.

elitism, where the elite have all the decision power, and the others are only tools.

that's my main problem with modern times.

brieflly, we encourage the specialisation, leading to people only able to work in one domain. and that is very sad.


but, every body have a chance to be accepted in the elite.
that's simple, i am admissible (recruitment by competitive examination) in the CNRS for an Ingineer assistant job, i will participate to the competition, but the level is very high, covers optics, atom phisics, and many other domains where i am really not an expert, but with questions for experts.

that's simple, the questions about electronics are for experts in electronics, and they are the only i can really answer without difficulties. but for the rest, it will be very hard.

that's what i dislike, the elitism.
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edfed wrote:
burka is mainly the symbol of islam domination on womens. means that i am a little agree with this law.
Well of course that is not true. It is Islamic tradition only. Perhaps only the French media see it as some sort of symbol.

Some people think that putting a ring on one's wife's finger as a symbol of male domination. Perhaps rings should be banned also?

I wonder whether motorcyclist also have to remove their helmets in public places, like on the public roads? Because a motorcycle helmet is a head covering also.

Do the French public realise that this law will only help to keep traditional Islamic women from ever venturing outside? Because that is what will happen, ban them from wearing a veil in public and they would rather never expose their face than go out in public. These women will then stay at home for the rest of their lives. Shameful, truly shameful.
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I wonder whether motorcyclist also have to remove their helmets in public places, like on the public roads? Because a motorcycle helmet is a head covering also.

Do the French public realise that this law will only help to keep traditional Islamic women from ever venturing outside? Because that is what will happen, ban them from wearing a veil in public and they would rather never expose their face than go out in public. These women will then stay at home for the rest of their lives. Shameful, truly shameful.


helmets too are forbiden in public, it is only allowed (imposed) when you ride.

and yes, that's a shame to forbid to traditionnal women to wear a burka. they will effectivelly stay at home for the rest of their lives, or just go out in their district (cités hlm, marchés aux puces) and cannot see the rest of the world without a TV at home...

in france, the government can decide foir everything, and to help, they use the medias. just to influence the public opinion.

that's the big shame.

hadopi is there just because medias spoke about pedopornography and illegal downloads, everydays, many years, on TF1. and now, public is ok for hadopi.
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Well, if her belief tells her so...


P.S. Though really, this parroting is hugely boring
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If all Muslim women were wearing burka (accordingly to the traditional interpretation of the Islamic law) nobody in this world would have a chance to get to know how beautiful they are. Wink
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