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edfed



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Energy is the master of our modern times.

there are two or three types of energies.


Spiritual and clean
the energy of your brain (and soul), your motivation, the love for what you want to do


Free and natural
the alternative enrgies to replace (maybe one day) the dirty and expensive ones


Expensive and dirty
the energy that 99% of the humanity uses because we don't have the technical, economic or political choice.




the spiritual energy of course is taken from food and is a secondary energy (for the modern times), used only to move your body in order to work for babylon

the Expensive and dirty energy is the cheapest to produce, and then, the only energy that governments (banks?) accept. oil, nuclear, coke, gaz, slaves.
theses energies are dirty, of course, but they have an other property, they give the power to the companies who impose them to us.


and finally, the free energy, that have 90% of it's origin in the sun.

wind -> the sun warms the athmosphere, and by pressurisation/depression of the air, will induce movment, and then, using the corect hardware, will let you convert the wind in any other energy (mainly mecanical).

sun light -> the sun is shining, and this energy is directlly used by the nature to do the photosynthesis. using a black container, it can warm up water, using a semiconductor, it will create electricity.

HHO -> the water, decomposed in 2H2 + O2 will let you convert electrical energy in a burning energy, clean, result is only water.
the chemical fuel cell is a little different, it uses electricity to separate H and O, and create electricity when combining them again. result is water.
of course, nothing can appear from nothing, then, water decomposition will cost some energy (loss), and recomposition will do the same, but the efficiency is by far better than the oil used in our engines.


sea -> the movment of the water will be induced by the moon, and the sun, the warming of water will create current, and these current can be exploited.
the energy from this instalation is free.

then, we are in 2010, there is still hanger in africa, there are still wars, misery, etc....
but the energy, if free, will solve a lot of these problems.

using solar energy to purify water, pump water, warm cultures on the poles, etc...
using wind energy to travel around the globe, slow, but free and efficient.

efficiency of the wind, 10000000%, because no energy is needed to make it work, just wait the wind, that is free.


then, the question is:

how many of you are interrested in the devellopement of the free energies?

there are a lot of datas on the web about that. but a lot are false, or simply censored.

for example, do you know Stanley Meyer? Alexander Tchernesky? Jean Louis Naudin? Kawai? etc, etc...

all theses names are fighting against the lobbies of the idiocracy that tell us:
time is money.
Post 09 Sep 2010, 14:42
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revolution
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Well, wind is free. Solar is free. Coal is free. Oil is free. Nuclear is free.

The Earth provides all of these energy sources for free.

Some of them are limited.
Some of them are polluting.
Some of them are limitless.
Some of them are non-polluting.

BUT:

They all require we build devices to capture/convert the energy into usable forms. Those devices take effort to produce and hence are not free. Those devices will have limited life spans and need to be replaced. The devices also produce unwanted side effects that cannot be eliminated.

There is no such thing as free energy. There are always costs.
Post 09 Sep 2010, 15:26
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guignol



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revolution, just because you take money for every piece of your work doesn't mean "there are always costs"
Post 09 Sep 2010, 15:38
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"cost" is more than just money. Pollution, resource depletion, landfill, aesthetic, wars, etc. The control of energy is the real question here, not the monetary costs.
Post 09 Sep 2010, 15:43
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guignol



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Ok Smile
Just because you want to control everything, doesn't mean that "control" is a real question here, nor anywhere else.
Just beacause you pollute with your activity doesn't mean others have to pay for it, etc.


aesthetic is an adjective Confused
Post 09 Sep 2010, 15:51
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guignol wrote:
aesthetic is an adjective Confused
What I meant was that everybody has different value sets. Some people may not care about pollution or money costs, but will get very upset if you build a big wind turbine and block their view.
Post 09 Sep 2010, 15:57
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guignol



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revolution wrote:
Some people will get very upset if you build a big wind turbine and block their view.
Well, of course, 'cuase it's bollocks!
revolution wrote:
Some people may not care about pollution
Bollocks! Everyone likes to be healthy, some are simply deluded (and not without help) that they are healthy; thus feeling "no pollution".
revolution wrote:
Some people may not care about pollution or money costs, but will get very upset if you build a big wind turbine and block their view.
And bollocks thrice: to put pollution likers and view likers in one person; even putting careless about pollution with those careless about money is another bollocks plus. (See how they mangle!)


revolution wrote:
everybody has different value sets.
True, true...
Post 09 Sep 2010, 16:22
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revolution
Not caring != liking. You are putting words in my mouth that I didn't say.
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Not at all, I'm putting two possible conclusions; are they written together?
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Why is it so hard to believe that person X would not care about pollution caused by some factory to some river in some obscure country on the other side of the planet, but would care a great deal if the parts made at that factory go towards building a huge ugly turbine tower right outside X's property? The pollution is someone else's problem, let them deal with it. But that huge ugly tower, that is an immediate problem for X, it must be banned.
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roboman



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I've helped build two privately owned windmills and we have a large wind farm on the hills we can see from where I live. They are ugly, kill a few birds, only make power when the wind hits their rated speed and they make quite a bit of noise. They don't look to bad at a distance and putting them in farm country means only cows, farmers and a few nuts who want to live in the country have to live with them. Solar cells, yep I've got some and they mostly charge a big ups that can run the house for a week or two. Several big batteries that you have to deal with. At work they have the largest solar system in the county, covers a little more then what they use, but that means during the day it makes a lot more then needed and the extra goes on the grid, at night or when it's not sunny power gets drawn from the grid. No good way to store that much power.

>then, we are in 2010, there is still hanger in africa, there are still wars, misery, etc....
>but the energy, if free, will solve a lot of these problems.

Why would you think that? Giving any one any thing for free only solves the problem of them not having the thing you are giving them at the moment you give it to them. Not that long ago much of Africa exported food, then to make people feel good they looted and destroyed most of their ability to grow their own food for short term profit and give aways. I'm not at all sure how to change peoples minds to not only think short term, to not have more kids then they or the area can support, and work for what they want instead of robbing or killing others for what they have worked for. Then there is the whole killing the other guy because he picked the wrong god, was born in the wrong area or to the wrong family. Not at all sure how to deal with some one willing to kill all the descendants of some one who offended their great great great grandfather about something they aren't even really sure of any more... Or the stupid thing now, calling for the deaths of all Americans because one fool is going to burn a book. I don't think free electric is going to help that.
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bitRAKE



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Worship the sun God Ra - free energy and free religion wrapped into one. Laughing

Only through improving the livelihood and lifespan of peoples is a cultural awareness created with sufficient momentum for global change. Hope for tomorrow arises out of opportunities of the day. People will need to think in longer time scales when they live longer.

There is no magic solution, but much hard work to shift the capital investment of yesterday to better processes. Unfortunately, many large players lack the motivation, or have too great of fear to change -- it will come in time because there is no other way -- they merely wish to push the burden onto another. Which is sad. There will be losers in this change, but I think they've been given the opportunity to adapt to the shifting needs of the global culture.
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