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TmX



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Since Office 2010 beta is free to download, I'm willing to give it a try.

I only installed the stuffs I need: Word, Excel, and Powerpoint.

Word & Powerpoint work pretty good, although some random quirks do appear (e.g if you use videos in the document).

Excel is the worst. Every time I open an xls or xlsx file, it always says:
"The file is corrupt and cannot be opened".
Yet the same file can be opened in Open Office Writer 3.

Well, it's still a beta, so expect bugs... Rolling Eyes
Post 23 Nov 2009, 01:48
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screenshots?
Post 23 Nov 2009, 08:14
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The FILE-menu is back Very Happy its like the Office '97 again. So why upgrade.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/2a/Word_2010.png

(I guess they finally understood the ribbon was a bit overkill for an average user and so they dialed it down a bit)

Anyway, now that I've seen the 2007 / 2010 versions, I stick to my previous thoughts: Office 2003 is the last usable version, there is. I think I can also say that regarding OpenOffice 3.1. The 3.2 is thought to be as good as the Microsoft's one (GUI wise) - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Prototype_v0.14.jpg

Oh well, we all have to get accustomed to new things eventually...
Post 23 Nov 2009, 08:43
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mmm... i'm thinking what a great reason to leave off.2k... some time ago i've switched from word 6.0 to word 8.0 because of document incompatibility... but i have noticed there was not possible to bind cells of tables vertically in word 6.0.
now i do not think i use even 10% of what the word 2k suggests, but sure the forward incompatibility is the main tool to enforce users to get new versions of such software (+ attracting some kind of users with new strange design Very Happy )
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But....... who the fish buys Microsoft Office products? There are lots of free/open source alternatives.
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free/open source alternatives are working much slower giving less functionality, usually not or worse localized: i do say this as till 2005 i've been using slow PCs at work. i've been using off.2k+visio xp at k5-133 under win 2k, then i have switch to celeron 300 and was able to compare speed of such software in real Wink also some economical applications we are using use office through COM to output reports, mainly through excel.
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TmX



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ass0 wrote:
But....... who the fish buys Microsoft Office products? There are lots of free/open source alternatives.


I think Office 2010 beta is pretty good.
At least I don't use 'the illegal copy' Smile

Sure Open Office is pretty good, but for some reasons I still fell Office is a bit better.

Actualy I prefer to use LaTeX (and LyX as the editor) over word processors, but unfortunately LaTeX is not popular among common users.
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Nah! Any Microsoft Office product is slower and oversized than a browser-based WYSIWYG.

And although i hate google, http://docs.google.com/ is a gazillion times better than MS Office.
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ass0 wrote:

And although i hate google, http://docs.google.com/ is a gazillion times better than MS Office.


I sometimes use Google Docs for quick notes or collaborative editing.
But for longer ones like writing thesis, I neved use it.
Maybe I should try it...
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Madis731 wrote:
The FILE-menu is back Very Happy its like the Office '97 again. So why upgrade.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/2a/Word_2010.png

(I guess they finally understood the ribbon was a bit overkill for an average user and so they dialed it down a bit)

But the Vista ribbon is still there and I really can't stand it. No thanks. I prefer 2000... or OpenOffice.
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ass0 wrote:
who the fish buys Microsoft Office products? There are lots of free/open source alternatives.

Totally agree. But with OpenOffice for example, there are still some problems (mainly caused by MS products) when converting from Open formats to Microsoft formats. I've noticed MS PPT doesn't understand Open themes.
So what can you do when some dumbass wants your PPT presentation or you need to do your presentation on an MS-only computer?
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ms formats -> to open source formats.

That's it. Converting must be only "one way". And if you need to spread some presentation go flash/swf (although propetary still, but the specs are released).
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shoorick wrote:
free/open source alternatives are working much slower giving less functionality, usually not or worse localized

TmX wrote:
Sure Open Office is pretty good, but for some reasons I still fell Office is a bit better.


The only problem I've encountered with OpenOffice is that it's slower, especially at startup (probably because of Java).

But it has more or less the same features as MS Office. Only some are missing from Calc (MS Excel), but it still has many functions (financial and other) as well as the Goal seek and Solver, the most useful tools.

It also supports almost 120 languages.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_office_suites

There are more than OpenOffice alternatives(freeware/closed source though).

And plenty of online awesome alternatives better or like google docs.

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ass0 wrote:
ms formats -> to open source formats.

That's it. Converting must be only "one way". And if you need to spread some presentation go flash/swf (although propetary still, but the specs are released).

As I said, some dumbasses want .ppt and .doc files and nothing else. They've never even heard of an alternative to MS products. In fact, I think they think MS is the only software company/organization on Earth.

And no, I would never think of using flash crap instead. I totally abhor it and I never even bother installing flash player plugins for my browsers.
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But the dumbass doesn't need to have any software installed, because you can compile the flash as an executable. Image-in your face- =D
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I know. But the dumbass still wants ".ppt and .doc files and nothing else" Confused
Besides, aren't all standalone flash makers for Windows only?
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Adobe AIR is cross-platform. Although you can use your assembly-foo to do a nice wrapper of the flash player.
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And dumbasses don't care if your file is presentation.ppt.exe Image
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ass0 wrote:
Adobe AIR is cross-platform.

Yes, you're right. But it's proprietary and Adobe hasn't ported it to BSD (and will never I guess).
I could always use the Linux version through the compat layer, but as I said, I don't really like flash to begin with.

ass0 wrote:
Although you can use your assembly-foo to do a nice wrapper of the flash player.

Oh, yeah sure! Razz
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