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ManOfSteel



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I don't know how much truth does this hold but it's pretty interesting.
http://rinf.com/alt-news/sicence-technology/nsa-had-access-built-into-microsoft-windows/2809/
Post 07 Nov 2009, 13:50
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ManOfSteel



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Fanael wrote:
revolution wrote:
For the truly paranoid, just write your own OS and apps.
But what if compiler will put some spying code into them?


Borsuc wrote:
ass0 wrote:
Then disassemble your own stuff after compile.
That won't work, as debugger and disassembler are also infected and "hide" the malicious part...


What about FOSS, where everything can be seen, checked, tested, whatever-ed, from the OS, to the debugger, to any software you use, ... *and* to the compiler that was used to build all of these?
Post 07 Nov 2009, 13:57
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ManOfSteel



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Dex4u wrote:
I think hardware is just as likely to spying on you think how easy it would be in hardware to have your router spy on you or a backdoor.

Aren't most (or all?) of them running barely modified embedded versions of GNU/Linux distros or BSD family systems?
Post 07 Nov 2009, 14:02
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Dex4u



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ManOfSteel wrote:
Dex4u wrote:
I think hardware is just as likely to spying on you think how easy it would be in hardware to have your router spy on you or a backdoor.

Aren't most (or all?) of them running barely modified embedded versions of GNU/Linux distros or BSD family systems?

Yes, but i was thinking more in that maybe they had a device inside a device, one that is the router and runs linux etc and one that runs ? that is the spyware and backdoor, the linux kernel has no idea about the other one, it runs independent.
Post 07 Nov 2009, 15:46
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Borsuc



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ManOfSteel wrote:
What about FOSS, where everything can be seen, checked, tested, whatever-ed, from the OS, to the debugger, to any software you use, ... *and* to the compiler that was used to build all of these?
They're all infected. Hence you don't see the malicious part. Wink

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Post 09 Nov 2009, 17:33
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TmX



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Borsuc wrote:
They're all infected. Hence you don't see the malicious part. Wink


OK. Then I guess I need to write my own OS.
But first, I need to use a trusty compiler, otherwise the compiler will generate backdoor for my OS.

So, actually I have to write my own compiler.
Ouch my head hurts Laughing
Post 10 Nov 2009, 14:30
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Dex4u



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TmX wrote:
Borsuc wrote:
They're all infected. Hence you don't see the malicious part. Wink


OK. Then I guess I need to write my own OS.
But first, I need to use a trusty compiler, otherwise the compiler will generate backdoor for my OS.

So, actually I have to write my own compiler.
Ouch my head hurts Laughing


You can always use fasm Wink
Post 10 Nov 2009, 14:57
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vid
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You can always use fasm

Now what would be the best way to ensure compiler, even if recompiled from sources, is still infected? Make it self-compilable, of course! Why do you think would Tomasz otherwise take such a weird decision?
Post 10 Nov 2009, 17:24
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kohlrak



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because he thought it would be a great joke to tell the grandkids?
Post 10 Nov 2009, 17:50
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edfed



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edfed
maybe hardware manufacturer have mirror symetry.
then, if you observe the mirror, you see what does the machine, or can force the state of the machine. remotelly!!
Post 10 Nov 2009, 20:41
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