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LocoDelAssembly
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Yesterday, when reading some stuff about Frama-C I found some strange words like "emself" and "Ey". A little of searching conducted me to this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spivak_pronoun

Did you know of this? Do you make use of it?

Imagine how satisfied revolution would be if we start using it, Ey should not bother us anymore with the constant "he/she" problem Laughing
Post 01 Oct 2009, 18:22
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I don't think that shkle cares about how we call shklim, 'cause shkle don't even know how to call shklerself xD.

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Fry: Yivo. Yivo is the lover of all beings male and female. But Yivo has no gender. Thus Yivo has proclaimed that instead of he or she we are to use the word shkle. And instead of him or her we are to use the word shklim or shkler.

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Futurama:_The_Beast_with_a_Billion_Backs
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Why not... it?

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Post 01 Oct 2009, 18:48
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Borsuc wrote:
Why not... it?

Isn't it inanimate in English?
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yeah, and him is male, and her is female Wink

but I thought the point of the thread was to modify english.
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in french, we don't have this problem. we have 3 forms for the third person.

HE=il
SHE=elle
.. ça, on, equivalent to IT.

french is more elaborated language than english, that"s why american speak english, they don't have the brain for a real language. Wink

for example, english is a language with many french (latin) words..

in this post, there are many french words, like:
person (personne), have (a, avoir), form (forme) language (language, langue) real (reél), equivalent (équivalent), post (poste, courrier, poster)...

enjoy french language if you want. for me it is the best one.
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I've seen these before. But they are not very popular (as you know) so I have never used them in conversation.

For third person singular:

"it" is too rude in most circumstances.
"ey"/"emself" are too obscure.
"he" could be wrong and offend.
"she" could be wrong and offend.
"he/she" tends to mean "he and/or she" and is not always appropriate.
"(s)he" is a compromise that is less likely to offend.

If the gender is known then the specific "he" or "she" is best of course.

If you want to change the language then you are free to try, but it would probably take longer to catch on than most people have patience for. Most of the purposely designed changes are rejected by the masses. Usually only the changes that come about from non-purposeful usage (i.e. slang and "in-group" words) can come into common usage relatively quickly.

edfed: It is not just French but also Latin, Greek, German, Russian, Spanish, African, etc., etc., etc. English is not a "pure" language by any means of measurement.
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大家好,希望你们都会喜欢中文。
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Yes, I do like the Chinese.
Go google translator!

It's amazing to me that a piece of software can turn "大家好,希望你们都会喜欢中文。" into "Hello everyone, I hope you will like the Chinese."

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ass0 wrote:
I don't think that shkle cares about how we call shklim, 'cause shkle don't even know how to call shklerself
Except that 'undetermined gender' is not the same as 'no gender'. "Shkle" is not correct unless you are sure that someone has 'no gender'.


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undetermined gender == hermaphrodite
no gender == Yivo

But is ok, if you want that way xD
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hermaphrodite = mixed gender

A short English lesson for ass0 (free of charge, aren't you lucky): Razz

undetermined = unknown = not sure = not stated = indeterminate = don't care
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xD

Just for curiosity how would you call to an hermaphrodite? she/he/it/(s)he?
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Simple: Once it is known that someone is a hermaphrodite then I would just ask what they prefer to be addressed as. Basic courtesy.
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pardon madame/monsieur, Je ne suis pas poli.
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edfed wrote:
for example, english is a language with many french (latin) words..
are you saying french is NOT a latin language as well?

English is better than most (european) languages because it doesn't use obscure characters with accents. Wink

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esperanto roolz!!
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Borsuc wrote:
English is better than most (european) languages because it doesn't use obscure characters with accents. Wink
OK, it is not so easy to pronounce ř, like in Czech říká (means (s)he says), but what about the accent on English the? It's not easy to pronouce it right Smile

EDIT: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ginMlISn5X0
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Well I meant in writing, actually. Speaking accent varies between British and American english.

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windwakr wrote:
Yes, I do like the Chinese.
Go google translator!

It's amazing to me that a piece of software can turn "大家好,希望你们都会喜欢中文。" into "Hello everyone, I hope you will like the Chinese."
In fact, the software did NOT work! The proper translation should have been:

"Hello everyone. I hope you would like the Chinese Language."

or simply

"... like Chinese."

Wink
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