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JohnFound



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Then the US rulers will incriminate the nonzero empty space on the hard disks. Very Happy
Post 25 Jan 2012, 09:37
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sleepsleep wrote:
truecrypt can mount device, so if u got 500gb hd, then just make primary partition 100gb for windows, then the rest no partition then truecrypt can mount and format..
This is close to what I already do with the addition of also encrypting the boot partition. Remember that the pagefile, hiberfil, registry, journal logs, etc. can store protected stuff in the clear on the primary drive even when you are working from another drive.
JohnFound wrote:
Then the US rulers will incriminate the nonzero empty space on the hard disks. Very Happy
Indeed.

Thugs: Prove that this random data on the HDD is not encrypted terrorist data!
Me: It is just random data from me securely erasing the unused space.
Thugs: Decrypt it or go to jail!
Me: I can't decrypt it!
Thugs: Please turn around and put your hands behind your back ...
Me: Crying or Very sad
Post 25 Jan 2012, 13:16
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revolution wrote:
... and she (Ramona Fricosu) has now been ordered to decrypt her data.

http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/2836970/posts
Borsuc wrote:
What happens if you say you don't remember the password though? Razz
We might be about to find out. She has claimed to have forgotten:

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/02/forgotten-password/

Interesting!
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It's actually quite cool that police is helpless against encryption Smile

I've got mixed feelings about that. I'd like to keep my data secret, but on the other hand if sb's data could prove him guilty - it would help building justice and safety. If you just show your intellectual property (source codes, designs or whatever) to security man or a prosecutor they shouldn't be able to use it anyway Wink
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malpolud wrote:
If you just show your intellectual property (source codes, designs or whatever) to security man or a prosecutor they shouldn't be able to use it anyway Wink
Well of course they shouldn't; but back in the real world they are just people like the rest of us. Just because someone shouldn't do something does not mean they won't. I certainly would not trust any person with data that they have no business seeing.

As for capturing people by forcing them to incriminate themselves, that is just wrong. If someone is doing something illegal then there will be consequences of that that will be traceable. Things like bank account transactions, cash in their possession, extravagant living, dead bodies in the closet, traces of drugs etc. If the cops can't find anything external of the raw data then perhaps there is no crime being committed.
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revolution wrote:
Well of course they shouldn't; but back in the real world they are just people like the rest of us. Just because someone shouldn't do something does not mean they won't. I certainly would not trust any person with data that they have no business seeing.


I meant a situation like the one at the border where an officer wanted to see the content of the laptop. I wouldn't be happy to share the code either.

revolution wrote:
If someone is doing something illegal then there will be consequences of that that will be traceable.


You're right about this. Actually I can't imagine another crime than CP that is a pure data crime Wink

World is so amazing, just having a certain data sequence on a hard drive can make you go to jail. Mismatching the data in a way only known to you makes you safe.
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malpolud wrote:
You're right about this. Actually I can't imagine another crime than CP that is a pure data crime Wink
CP is a pure data crime?

"But think of the children".

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I mean there is no dead body, no weapon, no traces of a burglary. You can be arrested for a particular sequence of data on your hd.
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On Thursday, the United States Court of Appeals for the Eleventh Circuit ruled that, under US law, the decryption of data can be regarded as giving testimony (US vs. John Doe). The Fifth Amendment to the US Constitution states that US citizens can't be forced to incriminate themselves. As a result, an individual who has been suspected of possessing child pornography by the prosecuting attorney has walked free.

The defendant, who is referred to only as John Doe, has never been charged, but has served eight months in prison for contempt of court after refusing to decrypt seven computer hard disks. The prosecution suspects that the disks contain child pornography. Doe invoked his constitutional privilege against self-incrimination, which has now been confirmed.

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The difference here appears to be that Mr. Doe never said anything about the contents of the drives. But both Boucher and Fricosu either directly (in Boucher's case) or indirectly (in Fricosu's case) indicated that there was/is incriminating data on the disks.

So the moral of the story here is: Keep you mouth shut.
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Fricosu's ex-husband gave them the password, or at least gave them enough password fragments for them to cobble together the real one.
Wired reports that the suspect’s lawyer, Philip Dubois, said that the prosecution may have used one of the passwords provided by the co-defendant in the case, Scott Whatcott, which is the ex-husband of Ramona Fricosu, the defendant in the fraud case.
So a further moral of the story here is: Don't tell anyone else your password.
Post 01 Mar 2012, 14:04
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