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Azu



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Borsuc wrote:
Azu wrote:
You can have at least some proof of something without being 100% certain it is true. But you would have to believe everything that hasn't been 100% proven to be false..
A famous scientist called Max Planck once said:

"We have no right to assume that any physical laws exist, or if they have existed up until now, that they will continue to exist in a similar manner in the future."

Wink
Exactly, you shouldn't assume something is true just because you want to. You should wait until there is proof of it being true.
Post 28 Jul 2009, 02:17
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Proof is impossible. All you can have is evidence, which is never conclusive as ultimate proof. Just use what you've got as tools and not as absolute truth -- reserve that to philosophy. Wink

Anytime you think you have proof of something, the laws of physics can change (as Planck said) and you would be wrong. Because proof doesn't exist. That doesn't mean the theories until then couldn't have been used as tools!
Post 28 Jul 2009, 02:21
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Borsuc wrote:
Proof is impossible. All you can have is evidence, which is never conclusive as ultimate proof. Just use what you've got as tools and not as absolute truth -- reserve that to philosophy. Wink

Anytime you think you have proof of something, the laws of physics can change (as Planck said) and you would be wrong. Because proof doesn't exist. That doesn't mean the theories until then couldn't have been used as tools!
If god flew down from heaven in one of his magic chariot things with trumphets and shit, and levitated everyone into the air, that would be pretty decent proof that he exists. Maybe not 100%, but much better than just "noone has proved he is false yet"!
Post 28 Jul 2009, 02:23
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Maybe, but that's not scientific. It may convince you, and me, but that has nothing to do with scientific method.

Example: what if we're in a Matrix and this "god" who did his shit was actually someone playing around e.g: the machines?

what if?? what if??
it can go endlessly.
thankfully science ignores it and doesn't focus on truth, but on predictions.
Post 28 Jul 2009, 02:28
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Borsuc wrote:
Maybe, but that's not scientific. It may convince you, and me, but that has nothing to do with scientific method.

Example: what if we're in a Matrix and this "god" who did his shit was actually someone playing around e.g: the machines?

what if?? what if??
it can go endlessly.
thankfully science ignores it and doesn't focus on truth, but on predictions.
He would be God of the pseudo-universe we existed in, then. Razz

Like I said, not perfect and irrefutable, but definitely better then nothing (e.g. "you can't prove it's false so it must be true").
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by reading what i typed just now, your fate is being changed by me.

i think u guys been splitting so far away from the subject.
"predestination and fate"
Post 28 Jul 2009, 16:59
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The only way for truths to never change is predestination/predetermination.. Very Happy
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not really, if by "truth" for instance you seek the mechanism of how the universe works and it is read-only (you can't change it) Smile
(even though science leaves that alone, too mystical Laughing)
Post 29 Jul 2009, 01:59
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not really, if by "truth" for instance you seek the mechanism of how the universe works and it is read-only (you can't change it) Smile
(even though science leaves that alone, too mystical Laughing)
In a predeterministic model, it was always true that you made that post. Since forever.

In a nondeterministic model, there was the possibility you wouldn't, and thus it wasn't always true that you did.
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Yes, but by truth, I mean more like the mechanism.

i.e the function rand(50) gives you a random (let's assume random) number between 0 and 50, but the function itself, the mechanism, is 'truth', not its result.
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Post 29 Jul 2009, 20:33
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Borsuc wrote:
Yes, but by truth, I mean more like the mechanism.

i.e the function rand(50) gives you a random (let's assume random) number between 0 and 50, but the function itself, the mechanism, is 'truth', not its result.
If the seed(s) for it are also predetermined, sure.
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