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Azu wrote:
Exactly, there must be cause behind everything.
...or absolute uncertainty. Very Happy
Post 21 Jul 2009, 00:54
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bitRAKE wrote:
Azu wrote:
Exactly, there must be cause behind everything.
...or absolute uncertainty. Very Happy
Only mutually exclusive if the reason for the uncertainty is that there's nothing there.
Post 21 Jul 2009, 01:44
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How can uncertainty mean there is nothing there? Everything is there - even uncertainty.
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You said "or" instead of "and", so I thought you were implying mutual exclusivity.
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Azu wrote:
Exactly, there must be cause behind everything.
What about "time=0", whatever that may be?

I mean is the Universe infinitely old (I mean with the causes before the Big Bang too)? That is kinda weird to imagine, somewhat paradox... it makes the same sense as having no cause.

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Borsuc wrote:
Azu wrote:
Exactly, there must be cause behind everything.
What about "time=0", whatever that may be?

I mean is the Universe infinitely old (I mean with the causes before the Big Bang too)? That is kinda weird to imagine, somewhat paradox... it makes the same sense as having no cause.
It doesn't make sense for any dimensions to have beginnings or ends, time included.


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Time isn't a dimension, it's a measure of change. Razz
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Change relative to what then?

Something that existed before.. ad infinitum.
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Change in space. (we measure it relative to what we perceived/experienced before)
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Borsuc wrote:
Change in space. (we measure it relative to what we perceived/experienced before)
Meaning there must always be a time before. Otherwise you can't be relative to it.
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I'm sure there are definitive answers to the questions posed in this thread.
However, the only way to reach these answers would be to fold this thread through the 10th dimension in the hopes that we'd get to a universe in which these answers were obvious. But super-string theory only makes sense if you observe it, thus changing the quantum probability of it being nonsense.
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if fate exists, why those fate/god believer keep on condemn on f...ing bad things? Eg.raping,stealing,murdering,after all,nothing will happened unless god permits,since god is the most powerfull. And those believer are arguing about stuff that already been reviewd by god before it can take place on earth.

If devil is to be blamed,then why god doesn't stop devil?

If all these is meant to be a test for human,then why fate exists.

If fate don't exists,does that mean god is not pmnipotent?

Think bout it,all these are bull shit passed down from the f. Generation before us.
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sleepsleep wrote:
if fate exists, why those fate/god believer keep on condemn on f...ing bad things?
because they're human?
humans like to pass blame on others.
sleepsleep wrote:
If fate don't exists,does that mean god is not pmnipotent?
just because he CAN do it doesn't mean he WILL do it.
just because US can launch nukes and end the world (with retaliation nuclear strike) doesn't mean they WILL do it, even if they have the power.

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sleepsleep wrote:
if fate exists, why those fate/god believer keep on condemn on f...ing bad things? Eg.raping,stealing,murdering,after all,nothing will happened unless god permits,since god is the most powerfull. And those believer are arguing about stuff that already been reviewd by god before it can take place on earth.

If devil is to be blamed,then why god doesn't stop devil?

If all these is meant to be a test for human,then why fate exists.

If fate don't exists,does that mean god is not pmnipotent?

Think bout it,all these are bull shit passed down from the f. Generation before us.
What's all that god and devil bullsh.. have to do with anything? Rolling Eyes

It just leads to the question of "okay, and what caused those" just like any other stupid theory.
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hard to have a cause without time though.

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Post 26 Jul 2009, 21:05
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Straw-man much?
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what?
i thought it was well-known that the Big Bang and/or God "created" time itself...
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Dictionary on 'Big Bang theory' wrote:
A cosmological theory holding that the universe originated approximately 20 billion years ago from the violent explosion of a very small agglomeration of matter of extremely high density and temperature.


Dictionary on 'God' wrote:
the one Supreme Being, the creator and ruler of the universe.



Nothing about time there.. and nobody has even been able to prove that either of these are real, anyways. So no.
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Azu wrote:
Nothing about time there.. and nobody has even been able to prove that either of these are real, anyways. So no.
Relativity says for no space there's no time. Since the Big Bang could be coming from the highest possible compact density or whatever, then yeah, time 'expands' as well.

As for God, he created time along with the Universe of course. That said, if you believe in relativity.

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Borsuc wrote:
Azu wrote:
Nothing about time there.. and nobody has even been able to prove that either of these are real, anyways. So no.
Relativity says for no space there's no time. Since the Big Bang could be coming from the highest possible compact density or whatever, then yeah, time 'expands' as well.

As for God, he created time along with the Universe of course. That said, if you believe in relativity.
It didn't make space though, it just blew a bunch of matter all over the place.


Borsuc wrote:
As for God, he created time along with the Universe of course.
Can you back that up?


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