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revolution
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revolution

You still haven't shown where I "Put words in your mouth".

08 Jun 2009, 17:42

Azu

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Azu

......

You're fucking impossible.
I just did it right back to you, almost directly copy and pasted, but you're still feigning innocence/ignorance. Wtf. That's bad etiquette even for a troll.

08 Jun 2009, 17:47

revolution
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revolution

Huh? Where did you misquote me? You juxtaposed another 'foreign' post into here, do you consider that "putting words in my mouth"?

But I never did that to you. And you should either apologise for your false accusation or prove where I quote you wrongly.

08 Jun 2009, 17:53

LocoDelAssembly
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SETcc has the same kind of misprediction penalties as Jcc

No, the pipeline does not need to be flushed, even more, there is no room for misprediction here (i.e. the processor doesn't try to guess if dest will be one or zero).

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08 Jun 2009, 17:57

Azu

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Azu

revolution wrote:

Huh? Where did you misquote me? You juxtaposed another 'foreign' post into here, do you consider that "putting words in my mouth"?

You're being nonsensical, I didn't quote any more foreign posts.

revolution wrote:

But I never did that to you. And you should either apologise for your false accusation or prove where I quote you wrongly.

I can't believe you are actually asking for a quote of what I mean. But okay, here you go, since you insist;

You doing it:

revolution wrote:

Azu wrote:
revolution wrote:
Azu wrote:
The same way it passes a "fixed" number of arguments. It shouldn't even be able to tell whether it is a "fixed" number or "variable" number, it is semantically called the same way.
You have a clear misunderstanding of HOW HLL's work. I suggest you try this in an HLL.
Code:
Sleep(1,2,3,4);    
Will it compile for you? Answer: No, the compiler refuse to compile it. It gives an error: "wrong number of parameters passed".
Wtf? Did the guy who made it, like, hard code the number of args each win32 function takes and go out of his way to make it fail if you put in a different number? Why??? Aside from killing all vararg, this would also make it impossible to push args for the next function..

And what about functions he didn't know of? Like if you import functions from your own library? Does the HLL explode or something? ROFL! HLL sounds shittier and shittier the more you tell me about it.
So now you finally understand stdcall? Yes? That is part of stdcall, it cannot support vararg. Okay, now you accept?

Me doing it straight back at you when you denied it:

Azu wrote:

revolution wrote:

Azu wrote:
You know what I mean. The first two. Now fuck off.
No sense I can make of that. I never quoted you in the first two
So now you finally understand what I mean? Yes? That you tried to put words in my mouth. Okay, now you accept

08 Jun 2009, 17:57

Azu

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Azu

LocoDelAssembly wrote:

Quote:

SETcc has the same kind of misprediction penalties as Jcc

No, the pipeline does not need to be flushed, even more, there is no room for misprediction here (i.e. the processor doesn't try to guess if dest will be one or zero).

http://board.flatassembler.net/topic.php?p=93826#93826
Confused

08 Jun 2009, 18:03

revolution
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revolution

Azu: You did write "The same way it passes a "fixed" number of arguments. It shouldn't even be able to tell whether it is a "fixed" number or "variable" number, it is semantically called the same way."

see: http://board.flatassembler.net/topic.php?p=95514#95514

Azu wrote:

revolution wrote:
Huh? Where did you misquote me? You juxtaposed another 'foreign' post into here, do you consider that "putting words in my mouth"?
You're being nonsensical, I didn't quote any more foreign posts.

Sorry, my mistake, there is a missing "If" meaning "If you juxtaposed ...".

08 Jun 2009, 18:05

Azu

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Azu

revolution wrote:

Azu: You did write "The same way it passes a "fixed" number of arguments. It shouldn't even be able to tell whether it is a "fixed" number or "variable" number, it is semantically called the same way."

see: http://board.flatassembler.net/topic.php?p=95514#95514

That post wasn't even on the same page.

And even if it was, I was obviously NOT saying that stdcall has an inherent limitation of fixed args. I was saying that whether you use fixed args or var args should make NO difference to it! Then you reply with saying that I agree with you that it can only work with fixed args. Wtf. How is that anything BUT putting words in my mouth?

08 Jun 2009, 18:11

LocoDelAssembly
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LocoDelAssembly

Azu wrote:

http://board.flatassembler.net/topic.php?p=93826#93826

What do you don't understand?

Is that supposed to be a link to support your idea of SETcc having the same misprediction penalties as Jcc?

08 Jun 2009, 18:12

Azu

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Azu

LocoDelAssembly wrote:

Azu wrote:

http://board.flatassembler.net/topic.php?p=93826#93826

What do you don't understand?

Is that supposed to be a link to support your idea of SETcc having the same misprediction penalties as Jcc?

Yes it says they are similar to conditional jumps. So it follows that their downside is also similar, right? But you're saying it isn't.. so I'm confused =/

08 Jun 2009, 18:15

revolution
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revolution

Azu wrote:

Then you reply with saying that I agree with you that it can only work with fixed args. Wtf. How is that anything BUT putting words in my mouth?

I never said you agreed with me! Point a link to where I said that. You still have not proved your statement.

08 Jun 2009, 18:19

LocoDelAssembly
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LocoDelAssembly

No, Mazegen meant that it has similar semantics, like JNZ will jump when ZF equals to zero and CMOVNZ dest, reg will move reg to dest when ZF equals to zero. There is no branching with CMOVcc and SETcc so the pipeline will never be flushed after execution of these as it can occur with Jcc.

08 Jun 2009, 18:20

Azu

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Azu

revolution wrote:

Azu wrote:
Then you reply with saying that I agree with you that it can only work with fixed args. Wtf. How is that anything BUT putting words in my mouth?
I never said you agreed with me! Point a link to where I said that. You still have not proved your statement.

Oh my god.. scroll up, I just fucking quoted you. Now leave me alone already.

LocoDelAssembly wrote:

No, Mazegen meant that it has similar semantics, like JNZ will jump when ZF equals to zero and CMOVNZ dest, reg will move reg to dest when ZF equals to zero. There is no branching with CMOVcc and SETcc so the pipeline will never be flushed after execution of these as it can occur with Jcc.

Awesome, thanks! I'll have to start using it more often.

08 Jun 2009, 18:21

revolution
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revolution

Azu wrote:

Oh my god.. scroll up, I just fucking quoted you. Now leave me alone already.

Your quote only shows one quote of yours from me (from page 6) and you did say what was quoted. Any other links you want to share to "support" your accusation?

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08 Jun 2009, 18:26

Azu

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Azu

YOU linked to page 6, idiot, not me. Can't you fucking read? Look! http://board.flatassembler.net/topic.php?t=10169&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=120

SEVEN.
Page 7!

Now stop this fucking shit already, you're really starting to piss me off this time.

08 Jun 2009, 18:27

revolution
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revolution

But I don't quote you in the first two links.

08 Jun 2009, 18:29

Azu

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Azu

You were obviously replying to me smartass.

08 Jun 2009, 18:32

revolution
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revolution

I asked some questions and things and yes they were replies to you, but not "words put in your mouth". No quotes at all, none.

08 Jun 2009, 18:34

revolution
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revolution

I wondered if you see that same page as me, but your quote above from it appears to be proper. So I am at a loss to understand what you are getting at.

08 Jun 2009, 18:35

Azu

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Azu

For the last motherfucking time http://board.flatassembler.net/topic.php?p=95565#95565

08 Jun 2009, 18:36

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