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sleepsleep
been pondering about this too for the past 2 days.

during sleep, it seems that "we" don't exist, since our consciousness is gone. we have no idea where it goes, and where it is located in ourself. it exists when the word "i" exists.

we die each day, and come back alive in our old self container,
if we don't discover where are we during sleep, i could feel that the next day you awake (if some nuke bomb during sleep), probably in a new baby body and we lost our past memory, being infected by new container.

it could be, to skip this whole (reborn) thingy, we must discover ourself during sleep.

btw, anyone know, who is the top scientiest in current age that try to figure about this kinda stuff?
Post 08 Apr 2009, 04:17
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You make quite a lot assumptions many people wouldn't agree with, and use word constructions without any clear meaning, that anyone can interpret differently ("word I exists"). For these two reasons, your question falls outside realms of science.

Current science AFAIK doesn't have any definitive answers nor anything close to it, but partial results that we have hint that consciousness is only small part of our mind, basically an self-illusion that rationalizes already-made choices (possibly with some "veto" rights, to stop already made decision at last moment). Its purpose is still unknown.

PS: Why do you keep starting new threads over and over, without at least clarifying your older threads? For example, you still didn't specify your source of notion that 'god is angry with us' here
Post 08 Apr 2009, 05:42
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vid wrote:
PS: Why do you keep starting new threads over and over, without at least clarifying your older threads? For example, you still didn't specify your source of notion that 'god is angry with us' here
Maybe, it is lack of sleep? Razz
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sleep^2 may find this web site appropriate, at least to address his question regarding the "top" scientist seeking to explain sleep and consciousness. University of Wisconsin
Just to clarify, I do not claim that this laboratory represents the "top" scientist investigating this fascinating field of research, nor am I suggesting any particular opinion about how one would define "top" scientist, for any field of inquiry. Einstein was a patent clerk.

With regard to vid's excellent rejoinder, inquiring why sleep^2 does not follow up on his provocative, thoughtful, and interesting questions to the forum, may I humbly offer this web site, which provocatively states, without citations:
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According to Islamic scholars and medical experts, the best time to sleep at night is around 10 pm.
Hmm. I doubt this assertion. Those who work all night, and sleep during the day, derive the same benefit, whatever that may be, of the same 6-8 hours of sleep, though it occurs during the daytime, as those who sleep at night, from 10pm. In hot climates, it is more logical to sleep by day, and work by night. Those who travel to the opposite side of the planet sleep at "10 pm", but by their intrinsic clock, it is really 10:00 am.

Here's an opportunity for sleep^2 to link two of his more interesting threads together, explaining why Islamic clerics write such nonsense, whether the subject is the origin of Islam, or the relationship between sleep and consciousness....

Hint: why write "islamic scholars and medical experts", instead of "scientists and religious propagandists"? Does anyone imagine that a person who is ill or injured is best treated by taking that person to a religious figure to pray for his/her recovery?

Hint #2, study a bit about Zoroastrianism, especially its influence on Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. I think you will discover then the prejudice that led to the Muslim religion's belief that circadian rhythm is best explained by the cyclical appearance of the sun. Scientists also find that theory attractive by the way, use a search engine to read about pineal gland and melatonin.
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PS: Why do you keep starting new threads over and over, without at least clarifying your older threads? For example, you still didn't specify your source of notion that 'god is angry with us' here

i just replied there Smile

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Maybe, it is lack of sleep?

i would say, lack of motivation to reply, i am kinda moody type some time.

thanks for the university
link tom, i will take sometime to check and see what i could understand from there.

i don't know why the malaysia yadim website are here, well, i kinda disagree with almost what is inside.

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Here's an opportunity for sleep^2 to link two of his more interesting threads together, explaining why Islamic clerics write such nonsense, whether the subject is the origin of Islam, or the relationship between sleep and consciousness....

well,

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Does anyone imagine that a person who is ill or injured is best treated by taking that person to a religious figure to pray for his/her recovery?

most of the sooner death people that i knew, consult to religious figure when the doctor said, you only got 3 more days Razz Razz
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sleepsleep wrote:
i could feel that the next day you awake (if some nuke bomb during sleep), probably in a new baby body and we lost our past memory, being infected by new container.
Don't worry, if you are in ground-zero of a nuke, you'll be evaporized before your brain would even have time to get the signals. Literally, you wouldn't know what hit you (if we are in a Matrix, you might just as well encounter a BSOD seemingly randomly Laughing).

tom tobias wrote:
Hint: why write "islamic scholars and medical experts", instead of "scientists and religious propagandists"? Does anyone imagine that a person who is ill or injured is best treated by taking that person to a religious figure to pray for his/her recovery?
well it's just avoiding the 'inevitable' (whether true or not, but death IS). Like, on your deathbed...

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Hmm. I doubt this assertion. Those who work all night, and sleep during the day, derive the same benefit, whatever that may be, of the same 6-8 hours of sleep, though it occurs during the daytime, as those who sleep at night, from 10pm. In hot climates, it is more logical to sleep by day, and work by night. Those who travel to the opposite side of the planet sleep at "10 pm", but by their intrinsic clock, it is really 10:00 am.

However, I remember reading about some studies that demonstrated lack of natural sunlight causes depression. And as circumstantial evidence, I myself in fact often feel much better when i spend time outside during day, than when I don't.
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