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Tyler



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sleepsleep wrote:

but why you read and post into this heap?

IMO, it's the feeling of community. I feel like I know the regular members. Other forums I'm part of lack that to the same extent.
Post 08 Jul 2010, 09:17
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ender
Oh, this is a great idea! The problem seems to be hard and much far too complex to give a clear answer, be it "yes" or "no". It also sounds a bit utopian, but not more than Marks' ideas about socialism.
First: If there is a group of similar people, this undertaking may be succesful (and in this sense Vid is right - you cannot bear it by yourself only). There aren't, as we know, only the "good" people in this world and the problem here is to impose on those "worse a bit" some improving tendency.
Now, the main problem is: Whenever there is a group of "sheeps" (let's call it that way), the wolf that comes into it can have a really great time for free.

I wonder then, whether there exists any method which naturally promotes rather "giving" attitude, than "taking" one. I wonder could it be accomplished by simply forbidding use of some words - like "I want you to", "Could you" - and so one. Instead, pupils could only say something like: "I'm afraid I might have not understood what you've just said" - then it's up to you whether to repeat the sentence or ask what exactly one didn't get, or just: "Should I repeat it?"
I think, that even while it might sound ridiculous, voluntarily agreeing to such a convention would be a visible sign of good will. Will to belong to such a "better" people group.

Does it make any sense to you, guys? It's just a "stream of thoughts" so maybe it hasn't even been worth posting...

By the way:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-Prime

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Post 08 Jul 2010, 09:53
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sleepsleep wrote:

for those who believe this system/concept would works, what other incentives that s(he) still needs rather than seeing it works?

if let say (we assume), today, every resources could be maintained automatically by robot. and human have all his 24 hour no need to do anything in order to survive, (u could call it a lazy or paradise lifestyle).

would human just sit there, watch tv or what? human would probably love such living at first, but later boring because no longer have any goal... so next is to advance them into more knowledge / spiritual society.


My handle is what I do for a living, build machines, production lines, factories...
Let me guess, nearly every one you hang around with has a lot of school and enjoys learning. I end up around phd's, and even put my wife through grad school, but a bit more then half the people I end up working with only finished as much school as they were forced to. Life goal, do as littal as they need to get as much of the stuff the guy on tv tells them they are entitaled to or need to have, and having to think is the least desirable type of effort to put out. That's more then half the world.

That aside I do think it's worth the effort to give the others a chance to do what they love. Money matters a lot if you don't have enough to get by, after that it's a bonus or distraction. You say you have enough to get by, so let go of the money ideas, do what you love and id you can find others interested in the same area, teach them and learn from them. If you have enough money for your needs, do what you love and don't fight the world in a battle where you are trying to take away what the people you are fighting want.....
Post 08 Jul 2010, 15:55
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sleepsleep
hmmm, a quite simple question i wanna ask for ur guys feedback..

how many of us here, seriously think that , our society needs a change?
our lifestyle & the way our current system needs an upgrade?

if the answer is "yes", then please provide and idea on how to tackle it.

if "no", then why... please let me know.
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sleepsleep
right now, i think, if we could change the society into a web like..

so, you got a search engine like google that actually return queries for people who provide what service..

so, 2 types of service,
1st, restricted by location,
2nd, not restricted by location.

so, each of us are like hyperlink..
domain is like your own self.

so, if your service received high hits, (many people demand, then it is your job/dream/task to produce more in a more efficient way, use more latest technology, ask for more ideas).
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sleepsleep
i think, i decide..
knowledge will be shared free... those who come to learn no need to pay anything.

but those who request service, repair, need to pay.

and if they want it free, then they "should" provide a free service too.

i think i will start it like this way, and hopefully more ideas pour in, more people get engage with what i am doing and start to think about a new system that would evolute us into better society.
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So basically:

Physical things: Pay
Intangible things: Free

Seems like a reasonable approach to me.

But what about books? They are both: physical (paper) and intangible (ideas). Do you just charge for the printing and binding costs only? How do you compensate the authors to encourage the good ones to write more?
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> and if they want it free, then they "should" provide a free service too.
You could provide central organization for people who would like to "trade" work. Like a list of people in need of something, and what they're willing to do for it.

> knowledge will be shared free... those who come to learn no need to pay anything.
Free sharing of knowledge is always a good idea. Smile

> i think i will start it like this way, and hopefully more ideas pour in, more people get engage with what i am doing and start to think about a new system that would evolute us into
> better society.
The best way to win people over is to help them. Show someone you genuinely care, by helping(teaching) them, and they will wonder why. When they ask, they will listen. When they listen, you get a real chance to share and spread your philosophy.
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You could provide central organization for people who would like to "trade" work. Like a list of people in need of something, and what they're willing to do for it.

working on a website like this now,.

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The best way to win people over is to help them. Show someone you genuinely care, by helping(teaching) them, and they will wonder why. When they ask, they will listen. When they listen, you get a real chance to share and spread your philosophy.

i sincerely hope so..
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> working on a website like this now,.
How many people who are poor(I guess you're trying to help the poor, right?) have an internet connection? Local would be better. You could turn your house into the center for money-less transactions. I just mean have a list or something, nothing hard. Grassroots movements like you hope to start do better when they have a strong community as a base, the type of community hard to foster through a cable.
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How many people who are poor(I guess you're trying to help the poor, right?) have an internet connection?

what i mean here is... a website like google that allow people to search for categorized free service... with link to google or yahoo maps.

so, those who (my client or my customer) got a "stable" life and want to start a movement after me, have a web to put it up and start exposing to others..
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post some pics of your house!!


sorry for late reply edfed,,
here is the front image of my house,

the left room from front view will be used as computer training room...
i haven't decide on what to do with the car porch
some people suggest me to just semen it, (i mean semen, not that semen)


Description: house set up with awning & grill,
they just finished renovate today.
Filesize: 55.7 KB
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th_1279910739_myhouse.jpg


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sleepsleep wrote:
just semen it

cement
The "t" at the end is often ignored by non-native speakers. Since "c" is often pronounced "s" in English, then,
"semen" is a reasonable way of writing cement.

There is also a very different intonation in pronouncing the two words, apart from the "t" at the end of cement.

"semen" is pronounced, at least in North American dialect, as "SEE men"
while "cement" is pronounced, "suh MENT"[/quote]

Smile
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sleepsleep
yeah, cement,,
thanks tom for showing me the correct word!! Smile

hopefully i could move in before end of this month,, today 25 already, so fast,
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