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edfed



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as i wonder what is the use of scroll lock, i tested it on many programs (M$ based) and nothing appens.
i ask to google for it meaning...

Well! It is a functionality from the middle-age computing:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scroll_lock
it is completelly obsolete. Smile

then, it can be assigned for a different stuff.
like a special indicator, with it's associated system-service.

when you push scroll lock (for example), it will lanch a procedure that will point to the next element in a service list.

he led will show in real time teh state of this service.
on the screen, the gui wiill show briefly a little indicator on the nature of the new service (name, status, etc)

as services, i think about:
do nothng (just do the normal scroll lock job)
show the menu
show the HDD activity via the led
show the pit rate/100
show mouse activity
block mouse
make arrow-keys as aditional mouse
select a new fnction

what do you think of this? Exclamation
Post 02 Feb 2010, 04:16
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The scroll lock keys on my laptops are not easy to activate. I have to push Fn+Num-Lock.
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ManOfSteel



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edfed wrote:
It is a functionality from the middle-age computing [...] it is completelly obsolete.

And I completely disagree. I use it almost everyday on my VTs to stop system and applications output and scroll (well well) the text back and forth. So, on *Windows* it's completely obsolete.

Sorry to interrupt. Embarassed
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ManOfSteel wrote:
edfed wrote:
It is a functionality from the middle-age computing [...] it is completelly obsolete.

And I completely disagree. I use it almost everyday on my VTs to stop system and applications output and scroll (well well) the text back and forth. So, on *Windows* it's completely obsolete.

Sorry to interrupt. Embarassed


no no
you don't have top be sorry.
if you use this key, it's your right to tell it to us.


but do you think it can b interresting to make a sort of scroll lock additional interrupt like i propose?

the basic stuff i want to do with this key is a Hard disk Enable monitor, on the keyboard.

and the simple fucntion of led is to just reproduce the HDD activity led.
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ManOfSteel



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edfed wrote:
but do you think it can b interresting to make a sort of scroll lock additional interrupt like i propose?

Since it's unused under DOS/Windows, why not?

But you have to make sure just pressing scroll-lock (by accident) doesn't do anything the user wouldn't usually want to do or anything that would take a relatively long time to start or complete. It would become very annoying, very fast.
Either display a menu and from there users can choose whatever they want (similar to pressing the Win key) or make functions a little more difficult to access, e.g. ctrl+scroll-lock executes the default command.
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ManOfSteel wrote:
edfed wrote:
It is a functionality from the middle-age computing [...] it is completelly obsolete.

And I completely disagree. I use it almost everyday on my VTs to stop system and applications output and scroll (well well) the text back and forth. So, on *Windows* it's completely obsolete.

Sorry to interrupt. Embarassed
Mouse wheel doesn't work? What about scrollbars? Seems Windows is better at ease-of-use even at the command prompt! Razz

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ManOfSteel



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"UNIX is user friendly. It's just picky about which friends." and "UNIX is simple. It just takes a genius to understand its simplicity."
IOW, it's for intelligent users who want to learn how the system they're using works. And the rest is for dumbasses, hah!

What?! You asked for it. Cool


BTW, I was talking about VTs (virtual terminals). Even though rodents can work under "text mode" for copy/pasting text, wheels aren't supported. None saw any use for them in the past 15 years I guess. As for scrollbars, I haven't seen any yet hehe. And that's good, because I'd lose a precious column if there were any. I need every goddamn block here for $*%&'s sake!

Now terminal emulators OTOH support rodent wheels, shift-arrows and shift-pgdn/pgup quite well.
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Borsuc



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It's not "picky" about which friends... if it lacks a capability that does not hurt in any way (how do wheels hurt? scrollbars might hurt a BIT of screen space for those obsessed, but wheels?)... it just sucks in that area Razz

I wouldn't be surprised though, seeing as the Mac had traditionally a mouse with only 1 button... Laughing and it's a *nix OS.
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If you full-screen a Win command-line (Alt+Enter) - WOW, where did the scrollbar go?
Why do you blame UNIX for that?

Its like (a clip from Top Gear) "it can take over a Ferrari when Ferrari's speed is 30km/h..."

I don't know *that* much about Linux, but I think that either KDE or Gnome support scrollbars in terminals.
http://www.nsftools.com/NL7/NL7-9.png
http://polishlinux.org/reviews/cmd/linux.jpg

...AND I don't consider a mouse (a rodent) a usability feature. Mice are not very accurate and keyboard shortcuts get the job done much quicker.

Now back on topic:
I guess Scroll Lock is very rarely used in Windows and I wouldn't mind
it showing me network activity or what-not...
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ManOfSteel



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Borsuc, have you not understood anything in my last post, or are you just trying to piss me off? If it's option 2, you're failing miserably I must say.
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Borsuc has had a thing lately about (1) making unfounded and silly but inflammatory claims, (2) arguing. Please stop.

Don't argue with him either.
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Oh! So thats what that button does... Guess I never paid much attention to it. Embarassed Come to think of it, my current keyboard don't have one.

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Borsuc



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Madis731 wrote:
If you full-screen a Win command-line (Alt+Enter) - WOW, where did the scrollbar go?
Why do you blame UNIX for that?
I just found that out according to people posting here, since I don't use Linux (or another Unix variant) myself. It's not like I woke up and said "Ok, time to bash Linux on scrollbars" since I had NO idea it didn't support mouse wheels or scrollbars: very elementary things.

Though I can't say the same about some Windows bashers. (no, I'm not talking to anyone here)
Madis731 wrote:
...AND I don't consider a mouse (a rodent) a usability feature. Mice are not very accurate and keyboard shortcuts get the job done much quicker.
That's your preferences... see, this is the problem I was talking about (apparently GUIs in Linux support it, but I didn't know that from what I read here...).

If Mouse Wheel isn't supported (let's assume as this was the basis of my argument, now wrong), that IS a 'problem'... it's not that you, or Joe, or Mike, or Smith, or whoever, doesn't use it. It's that people like me CANNOT use it. You don't HAVE to use something that is available, on the other hand I cannot use something that is NOT available.

Again, since the GUIs support it, my argument was wrong, but the above is what it was about... nothing wrong with that.

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