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revolution
When all else fails, read the source
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Location: Thasus
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Erm, 8GB of video files (and maybe more to come?)! Ouch.
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22 Aug 2009, 22:51 |
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Feryno
Joined: 23 Mar 2005
Posts: 439
Location: Czech republic, Slovak republic
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Tomasz Grysztar (Poland)
Ideas for fasm 2, a new fasm fork
0,9 GB
http://tokk.biz/fasmcon2009/M2U00510.MPG
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Erm, 8GB of video files (and maybe more to come?)! Ouch.
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The final 'The world biggest battle for beer' has only 300 MB.
Will be available in 1 hour.
Must be seen!!!
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22 Aug 2009, 22:55 |
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Feryno
Joined: 23 Mar 2005
Posts: 439
Location: Czech republic, Slovak republic
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The world biggest battle for beer
260 MB
http://tokk.biz/fasmcon2009/M2U00513.MPG
Must be seen even in case you missed all presentations!!!
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22 Aug 2009, 23:51 |
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SFeLi
Joined: 03 Nov 2004
Posts: 140
Location: Severodvinsk, Russia
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Thank you, Feryno.
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23 Aug 2009, 05:35 |
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tom tobias
Joined: 09 Sep 2003
Posts: 1320
Location: usa
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As usual, I am working backwards from the rest of the world, starting with episode 13, and working my way to the front....
The beer party was good. I recognized most folks. However, I wasn't sure if f0dder was hiding behind a beard, or that was someone else....?
Looked like a lot of fun. Beer seemed cold. Water, wet. What more could one ask for on a hot summer day?
I watched part 1, i.e. part 2 for those of us inexperienced with writing FFT's in assembly, and confess, I could comprehend neither the question, nor the answer. I will try again, after watching part zero, i.e. part 1. It is now downloading, and will take about 4 hours on my slow DSL connection....Oops, time for basketball. Back in a few hours....
hope everyone is having fun touring the organs in the churches of Myjava.
Cheers,
tom
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23 Aug 2009, 11:15 |
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pal
Joined: 26 Aug 2008
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Wow a lot of files. Thanks Feryno!
One on FFT  I'm gonna get that right now.
Hmm, are other people downloading the files or watching them online? They don't seem to be downloading and when I try to watch them they don't load... Edit: got it working with wget.
How come there are two parts to each; with one being big and one being small?
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23 Aug 2009, 11:16 |
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Feryno
Joined: 23 Mar 2005
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Location: Czech republic, Slovak republic
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pal wrote:
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How come there are two parts to each; with one being big and one being small?
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2 parts = limitation of camera
camera uses FAT filesystem, file size limit = 2 GB
if the video is longer then the camera saves the file in 2 GB fragments
now I'll try to merge files and convert them to smaller files (but then FFT will be unreadable because of small text, it is on the edge of visibility even under current video format, other presentations use larger fonts and should be readable after impairing their quality by recompression) - my brother helps me I hope (he is better than me for that)
I just wanted for you to be able to watch videos immediatelly after the conference. If I succeede with merging files and recompression, then presentation will be available for guys with slowlier connections also.
To tom tobias - f0dder wasn't there.
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23 Aug 2009, 13:04 |
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pal
Joined: 26 Aug 2008
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Sounds good as long as you can read the text
Any chance of getting the powerpoint presentations? (Or whatever the presentations were done with if they were done via a computer.) I think that would be a good thing to run next to the video.
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23 Aug 2009, 13:12 |
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revolution
When all else fails, read the source
Joined: 24 Aug 2004
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Location: Thasus
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I just finished watching the fasm2 presentation. A few questions:
Didn't anyone ask about inline macros?
Why 128bit?
Will it have floating point arithmetic?
Can constants be tagged as floats/integer/pointers?
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23 Aug 2009, 14:44 |
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tom tobias
Joined: 09 Sep 2003
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Just finished downloading and watching part zero of Feryno's FFT lecture. Now getting ready to start downloading Tomasz' talk, i.e. the main event.... hurrah.
Umm, a couple questions about the FFT discussion:
Thank you very much Feryno for this presentation on FFT. Two questions, both related to the title of your talk, i.e. speed:
a. With regard to the fewest arithmetic operations, i.e. multiplications and additions, I was under the (perhaps mistaken) impression that the original Duhammel and Hollmann split radix, (derived from the Cooley-Tukey algorithm) as modified by Burrus and his colleagues, including Sorensen, was the fastest transposition available, computing the DFT (O(N^2))in O(N*logN) operations. Are we then to understand your presentation yesterday as summarizing the improvements by Guo and Burrus, or have you improved upon the results described in Johnson and Frigo's paper in IEEE Transactions Signal Processing (2007)? I missed the beginning part of your talk, so I am not sure whether you were summarizing the process, or explaining a novel innovation.
b. While Burrus and Sorensen and their colleagues were working with a different cpu, made by TI, one can use their same logic with the Intel cpu. However, the floating point coprocessor is not the best resource, as I think you pointed out at FASMCON two years ago, in beautiful Brno, so, I was hoping that you may have devoted some portion of your talk at this year's conference to novel ways to implement the Burrus split radix with the newest architectural modifications on a quad core cpu.
A quad core cpu, opens up some interesting challenges with the split radix!!! So, I was hoping you were going to share with us the relative advantage of multicore integer performance on FFT, versus SS3/4 computations....
Next year....
Thanks again.

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23 Aug 2009, 18:00 |
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vid
Verbosity in development
Joined: 05 Sep 2003
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tom: FFT lecture was given by Ender, another guy from Crackow (besides Tomasz). Feryno was talking about turning off the hypervisor.
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23 Aug 2009, 18:56 |
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tom tobias
Joined: 09 Sep 2003
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Thanks Martin,Thanks Ender, Sorry Feryno. I wish I could blame my confusion on mere senility, but, unfortunately, it has been a lifelong burden!!!!
Looks like it was a great meeting, vid, outstanding job, organizing it. Thank you very much....
cheers,
tom
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23 Aug 2009, 20:38 |
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Feryno
Joined: 23 Mar 2005
Posts: 439
Location: Czech republic, Slovak republic
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xvid videos about 7,4 times smaller than mpg
William Whistler (UK), Karel Lejska (MazeGen, Czechia)
A crash course on Manual x86 Instruction Disassembly
286 MB part0:
http://tokk.biz/fasmcon2009/M2U00501.avi
16 MB part1:
http://tokk.biz/fasmcon2009/M2U00502.avi
Martin Mocko (vid, Slovakia)
Intel Virtualization (VT-x) Tutorial
286 MB part0:
http://tokk.biz/fasmcon2009/M2U00503.avi
76 MB part1:
http://tokk.biz/fasmcon2009/M2U00504.avi
Madis Kalme (Madis731, Estonia)
SMP initialization and Interprocessor interrupts
211 MB
http://tokk.biz/fasmcon2009/M2U00506.avi
František Gábriš (Feryno, Czechoslovakia)
Turning off Hypervisor and Resuming OS in 100 Instructions
286 MB part0
http://tokk.biz/fasmcon2009/M2U00507.avi
16 MB part1
http://tokk.biz/fasmcon2009/M2U00508.avi
updated and corrected presentation in ppt format:
http://fdbg.x86asm.net/Turning_off_hypervisor_and_resuming_OS_in_100_instructions.ppt
Tomasz Grysztar (Poland)
Ideas for fasm 2, a new fasm fork
122 MB
http://tokk.biz/fasmcon2009/M2U00510.avi
Łukasz Szańca (Ender, Poland)
Fast Fourier Transform & what really fast can we do it
190 MB part0 (some small part of begin is irreversible missing...)
http://tokk.biz/fasmcon2009/M2U00511.avi
15 MB part1
http://tokk.biz/fasmcon2009/M2U00512.avi
The world biggest battle for beer
36 MB
http://tokk.biz/fasmcon2009/M2U00513.avi
Must be seen even in case you missed all presentations!!!
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24 Aug 2009, 08:06 |
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Tomasz Grysztar
Assembly Artist
Joined: 16 Jun 2003
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Location: Kraków, Poland
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revolution wrote: |
Didn't anyone ask about inline macros?
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vid did, the day before conference.
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Why 128bit?
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Just as 64-bit was chosen initially for fasm supporting 32-bit code generation, I think 128-bit should be right thing for the 64-bit capable one.
revolution wrote: |
Will it have floating point arithmetic?
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Undecided.
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Can constants be tagged as floats/integer/pointers?
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Nope, they'd all be just binary data, as with fasm 1.
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24 Aug 2009, 08:17 |
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revolution
When all else fails, read the source
Joined: 24 Aug 2004
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Tomasz Grysztar wrote: |
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Didn't anyone ask about inline macros?
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vid did, the day before conference.
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Aw, now you're teasing us! What was the answer? My guess is "no", right?
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Just as 64-bit was chosen initially for fasm supporting 32-bit code generation, I think 128-bit should be right thing for the 64-bit capable one.
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Indeed. I wonder how many people will think that it is for SSE and then ask why not 256 bit for AVX?
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revolution wrote: |
Will it have floating point arithmetic?
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Undecided.
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Can constants be tagged as floats/integer/pointers?
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Nope, they'd all be just binary data, as with fasm 1.
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Without tagging I think that the float arithmetic would be difficult to implement. With tagging then things like type conversion can be automatically done during arithmetic operations.
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