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victor wrote:
Maybe I should also start making up my own functions, e.g., R(n) is defined to be the total number of sperms ever produced by revolution throughout his life ...
Maybe I am a girl?!
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revolution wrote:
Maybe I am a girl?!
I like this idea very much, Very Happy because I'm incorrigible dreamer. Wink
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victor wrote:
R(n) is defined to be the total number of sperms ever produced by revolution throughout his life

Most Klinefelter's syndrome patients, XXY, have normal intelligence.
http://www.emedicine.com/ped/topic1252.htm
So, R(n) could = zero, without need to invoke female gender:
revolution wrote:

Maybe I am a girl?!
Here again, this English language problem, but then, the thread does emphasize ascii characters...
female yes, girl, NO. "girl" is appropriate ONLY for preadolescent females, therefore, we are concerned when reading cher MHajduk's comment:
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I like this idea very much
So, as with the need to define the symbols, S^S(G)(G), we must ask, in all humility, if our esteemed colleague genuinely finds the notion of cavorting with prepubescent GIRLS attractive?
MHajduk wrote:
...because I'm incorrigible dreamer.
Else, a pedophile.
Rolling Eyes
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tom tobias: girl also means a female of ANY age. Words can have more than one meaning in English.
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tom tobias wrote:
MHajduk wrote:
...because I'm incorrigible dreamer.
Else, a pedophile.
You made a great mistake tom, because you throw very heavily words without an evidence. I give you time to delete your stupid post. You simply can't accept that here are excellent educated people, not only such Wikipedia-surfers like you.


vid & other moderators
please do something with this situation. Thanks in advance.
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Thank you revolution. This is quotation taken from your link:
Wikipedia - Girl wrote:
Usage notes

* (any woman, regardless of her age): Calling a grown woman a "girl" may be considered either a compliment or an insult, depending on context and sensibilities.
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tom tobias wrote:
...the notion of cavorting with prepubescent GIRLS...
@tom tobias: The adjective that you intentionally inserted completely changes MHajduk's original meaning. You've crossed the line! Evil or Very Mad
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It's difficult to know anyone's age/gender here; and as tom points out: even in person it isn't an either/or question. Not that I'm trying to get away with anything - older women are more of a comfort for me. Smile

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Wikipedia wrote:
Calling a grown woman a "girl" may be considered either a compliment or an
insult, depending on context and sensibilities.

What is the context? The context, here, if I am not in error, is an ostensibly witty rejoinder by
revolution to victor's note of exasperation with bitRAKE's suggestion that $FFFFFFFF represents
the largest value contained within 9 ascii characters, in essence repudiating victor's primacy in
revolution's contest, denying that victor's submission, S^S(G)(G) represents the largest value. So,
attempting a response to this exasperation, revolution reminds victor that most FASM forumers
are anonymous, hence, one typically doesn't know the gender or other personal details of forum
members. Continuing with this supposedly humorous rejoinder to victor, while concurrently
reminding revolution, whose proficiency with English is well established, that he errs in
representing the possibility of his true gender being female, by writing "girl", and further, that he
ignored another possibility, since this is a thread about thinking, after all, namely the possibility
that he could very easily have azospermia, in which case R(n) would be zero, instead of the large
value, proposed by victor in irony, tom suggested Klinefelter's syndrome.
MHajduk, prior to tom's alternate explanation for R(n) as a tiny value, had written OFF TOPIC,
that he found girls quite attractive. Most of us assumed that he meant WOMEN, but, since one
does not know particular tastes regarding male's sexual orientation, particularly intelligent,
successful men:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/13/spitzer.kristen/index.html
I felt it necessary to interject a tiny barb directed at this lonely guy, and I was correctly repudiated
by victor, who pointed out the error in my English, since writing prepubescent girl is a bit like
writing the "big tall tree", or the "dazzling, bright light", or "the difficult, hard code", in other words, I
should have written, "prepubescent FEMALES", not GIRLS, as I did, since by definition, all girls
are prepubescent. Upon becoming pubescent they are either adolescents, else women, in neither
case do they remain "girls". Mea Culpa.
What was the context? The context was revolution, ostensibly an adult male, referring to a
potential error in thinking, by pointing out that his gender ought not be assumed, as it has not yet
been declared, and hence remains a variable, not a known constant. Yet, in that context, an adult
male, referring to the possibility that he is in fact not male, but rather FEMALE, then, it is WRONG
to refer to his sexually mature counterpart, as a girl. The proper English is female, else woman,
not girl, just as it would be incorrect, in a group of adult women for one of the participants to
juxtapose her true gender with that of "boy". For more than two centuries, Caucasian males
referred to adult, male black slaves as "boy", in just such a derogatory fashion.
Yes, as in the link above, FASM forumers will find "call girl" referring to sexually mature females
earning money the old fashioned way. Nota bene: this terminology, in widespread use, is
nevertheless demeaning, impolite, and WRONG. Sexually mature females are NOT girls, or "old girls", or anything else, which contains a derogatory connotation.
Smile
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I moved this to separate thread, for now

tom: I think MHajduk deserves apology. Term "girl" hardly denotes only prepubescent females, in any culture. This term is very often applied to teenage females, or even females in their twenties.

Many people, including me, would freely admit that we have sexual preferences for girls, and by "girls" would seldom anyone mean prepubscent. Even though you may consider it wrong, that's how the word is meant 99.9% times, and so it's wrong to call someone pedophile for "liking girls", until you make sure he belongs to 0.1% minority.
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If revolution WERE a girl, then, he would be prepubescent, hence, unlikely to have thought of the problem of representing the largest possible value of any number using nine ascii characters.
The point here is English, not mathematics, as it should be.
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tom: I think MHajduk deserves apology.
First of all, an apology for what??? for suggesting that someone with an interest in girls, rather than women, may be a pedophile? The rolling eyes symbol was meant to convey the notion of improbability.....
MHajduk, I apologize if I hurt your feelings.
I neither know, nor care to learn what your true interests may be, I was simply commenting on the ENGLISH, not the psychology, underlying this sentiment expressed by MHajduk.
I thought everyone would have understood this....
On the other hand, it is clear that MHajduk also misunderstands other comments which I have offered, for example, misusing the word "holocaust" to refer to the horrendous execution of millions of jews by Nazi's in the early half of the twentieth century in Europe, when a more proper term to describe that slaughter of innocents is MURDER, but NOT holocaust, since, holocaust translates as TOTAL ANNHILIATION, and the jews have certainly not been exterminated!
Here are two examples of HOLOCAUST:
the kingdom of Champa, which no longer exists on the planet earth, having been ENTIRELY DESTROYED (aka holo - caust)
http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache:2UhUR8g4XiYJ:kyotoreview.cseas.kyoto-u.ac.jp/issue/issue4/article_353.doc+cham+annhiliation&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=us

20,000 Calusa Indians were living in Southwest Florida at the time of the arrival of Christopher Columbus. Today:
ZERO
That is a HOLO-CAUST, a TOTAL DESTRUCTION.
There are no temples, no mosques, not churches, no villages, no genes. NOTHING. ZERO. GONE. Forever.
HOLO CAUST.
Instead, today, if one travels around Southwest Florida, where the European Audobon illustrated flocks of Egrets and Roseatte Spoonbills, one sees vast stretches of concrete dwellings, large Condominia, OWNED by Jews, not Calusa Indians.
http://www.keyshistory.org/histindians.html
http://www.cityofmarcoisland.com/Public_Documents/MarcoIslandFL_WebDocs/oldMarcoIsland
How could the Jews purchase all that land, land of the Calusa, who HAVE been exterminated, if the Jews had been annihilated, as the term HoloCaust expresses?
vid wrote:
Many people, including me, would freely admit that we have sexual preferences for girls,...
No cher ami, your English is incorrect, and will lead, in the future to great misunderstanding. Your preference is NOT for "girls", but for WOMEN. That was the whole point of my post. This is an English lesson. Please learn it. Your notion of 99% is COMPLETELY WRONG.
One CAN NOT WRITE, and one MUST not write, "girls", in terms of sexual orientation, without being misunderstood by native English speakers, as indicative of probable pedophilia. This may well be an evolution in English language usage. What was true twenty years ago, is perhaps no longer the case. The English speaking world has been rocked by numerous scandals of high profile pedophilia, and there is today a reaction against it..... A STRONG reaction. So, I offer these suggestions to assist Non-native, but (as MHajduk has pointed out), well educated, FASM forumers, who may not realize the distinction, ONE MUST NOT WRITE "girls", in place of WOMEN, they are NOT synonyms. People will take great offense by writing "girls", a derogatory term, instead of "women"....Safest, no one can argue, is FEMALE. It is absolutely neutral in connotation. No one can take offense. It is XX, not XY, male. No arguments. Period. Fin de discussion.
Smile
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In her presents she is my lady-friend, otherwise a ladybug, lol.

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girl, close your eyes, the girl is mine, no no no she's mine, no she's mine, billie jean that's my girl... is it girl as little candy girl, or girl as mature girl, especially to build childrens??? cause bamby is recognised as a "pedophile".. Wink Laughing

me, i love girls, as i'm a boy. when i'll be very old (70), i'll rest a boy.. and fuck with 18 girls for porno...it's the life. Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing
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bitRAKE wrote:

In her presents she is my lady-friend, otherwise a ladybug, lol.

(1) in her PRESENCE, not "presents"
(2) ladybug is an insect
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coccinellidae
and therefore a derogatory term when applied to someone whom you respect, adore, and love. It is acceptable to call that person your "ladybug" in PRIVATE, but it is STRENG VERBOTEN to use such a negative term in public. Yes, I am familiar with President Johnson and his wife. No, I don't use his English as an illustration of correct usage. No, I don't hold Johnson in high esteem, for his murder of MILLIONS of VietNamese, Campucheans, and Laotians.
Whenever we discuss issues on FASM forum, we need to realize that MOST of the members are not native English speakers, hence, we need to be very clear about our intended meaning. Whenever possible we need to err on the side of offering too much explanation, rather than too little.....
Smile
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speaking about girls is obsolete.
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do you seriously imply that in US people don't use word "girl" for adolescent and older women? can other forumers from US confirm this?
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edfed wrote:
especially to build childrens
That is so funny! If I was from Alabama I might even try that as a pickup line, "How about we go build some childrens?" Laughing

We do all seem to be culturally sensitive to the whole baby-making process. Which leads me to a personal story. Why? Well, that is all I have is my experience:
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When I was eight/nine (4th grade) years old I had quite the sticker collection - several photo album volumes, all sorted and preserved. Relatives pushed many of their hobbies on me, but sticker collecting was the hobby I had choosen for myself.

One day I took my sticker albums to school for show-and-tell -- as I had done with all my collections. As luck would have it this proved to be great advertisement for people wanting to trade. Vicky said she had some stickers, but I'd have to come by her house on the way home from school.

I was oblivious to the fact that Vicky didn't seem like the sticker collecting type. Not until we were sitting on her bed with her dad passed out drunk in the living room did it finally hit me. Boy, was I pissed - what an absolute waste of time. She didn't have any stickers I wanted and I told her so. She almost jumped me before I could get out the house!

Sadly, she and this older guy that beat the crap out of me (and probably her) got together. I felt kind of guilty - like maybe she wouldn't have been with him if I'd have done something different. She developed into an incredibly beautiful woman before she was killed by another lover.
(I've got lots of stories...looking forward to your editorial response.)

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vid wrote:
do you seriously imply that in US people don't use word "girl" for adolescent and older women? can other forumers from US confirm this?
Only in a derogatory manner, but the age limit is very fuzzy as it is usually applied to the mental development. Pop music isn't a very good guide to English.

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