What is the best pie you can get with 9 digits?

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asmhack

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revolution wrote:

Yes, okay cr/lf are invisible but they are still needed for the construct to work, and also they are not in the set {0x20..0x7e} so I have to disqualify on technical grounds.

but if you write that on paper you will still have 9 chars Wink

so automatically the limits are disabled because cr/lf is not supported ?
but you said limits are ok..

06 Mar 2008, 14:43

asmhack

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Code:

$FFFFFFFF

06 Mar 2008, 14:50

revolution
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asmhack wrote:

revolution wrote:
Yes, okay cr/lf are invisible but they are still needed for the construct to work, and also they are not in the set {0x20..0x7e} so I have to disqualify on technical grounds.

but if you write that on paper you will still have 9 chars
so automatically the limits are disabled because cr/lf is not supported ?
but you said limits are ok..

Alright, in that case I allow cr/lf not to be counted, but I doubt it will help you. And, yes, limits are supported if you can write it all within 9 ASCII characters (how will you do the right arrow? Wink

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06 Mar 2008, 14:50

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asmhack wrote:

$FFFFFFFF

and also FFFFFFFFh

06 Mar 2008, 14:52

asmhack

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hahahahaha just details about ~ or -> or whatever..
f*ck that right arrow Razz

06 Mar 2008, 14:56

asmhack

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ok my last attempt:

limx
x->oo

9 chars and not infinite number.. that's why we use limits..

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06 Mar 2008, 15:08

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asmhack wrote:

limx
x->oo

But "oo" is not really the symbol for infinity, is it? Infinity looks like this: ∞, and it isn't ASCII 7bit.

06 Mar 2008, 15:15

Artlav

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revolution wrote:

Artlav wrote:
"n:Vk:n>k"

Where V denotes universal quantifier.
That is, number n, that for any given number k is n>k.

But you haven't really given an actual number or even a description of a number.

I had a strong impression that a description of a number is exactly what i given?

06 Mar 2008, 15:33

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Artlav wrote:

revolution wrote:

Artlav wrote:
"n:Vk:n>k"

Where V denotes universal quantifier.
That is, number n, that for any given number k is n>k.

But you haven't really given an actual number or even a description of a number.
I had a strong impression that a description of a number is exactly what i given?

Alright, I may have misunderstood, but it seems you are trying to say that what ever number I can write there is always a larger number. Is that correct?

06 Mar 2008, 15:36

asmhack

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so the conclusion is that the answer is not a limit beacause the shortest thing we can write using limits based on revo's rules is :

lim1/x
x->0

but that is 10 chars.. and i am sure this is not the reason you said 9 chars maximum.. Wink

06 Mar 2008, 15:50

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asmhack wrote:

so the conclusion is that the answer is not a limit ...

Yes, I doubt that limits is the answer. But I would be happy to see a large number using limits (if you can construct it).

Clue: So far, with all the answers given here:

As for ASCII, we have 7/9 of an answer. Of course I won't tell you which parts come from where, but one person has supplied 5/9 on one posting and the other 2/9 supplied by another person in another posting.

As for concepts, we have 1/3 of an answer, so you still need to find two more concepts to build a large number.

Edit: There is actually the germ of the second concept already mentioned, let's call it 1/2 of a concept, so that make 1/3 + 1/2 * 1/3 = 1/2 of the necessary concepts.

06 Mar 2008, 15:58

bitRAKE

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1/(0+)

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06 Mar 2008, 16:09

Borsuc

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1/dx

06 Mar 2008, 16:16

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bitRAKE wrote:

1/(0+)

And "0+" is ... ???

06 Mar 2008, 16:22

asmhack

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bitRAKE wrote:

1/(0+)

you can't just use 'your own math rules'.. where is lim ?

06 Mar 2008, 16:22

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The_Grey_Beast wrote:

1/dx

Hmm ...

06 Mar 2008, 16:23

Borsuc

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dx = infinitesmall number (used in integrals and derivatives)

06 Mar 2008, 16:25

bitRAKE

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would you perfer?: 1/(0^+)

I really have to thank this thread for leading me back to the busy beaver function.

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06 Mar 2008, 16:28

revolution
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The_Grey_Beast wrote:

dx = infinitesmall number (used in integrals and derivatives)

Yeah I know, but what is the number you are describing?

06 Mar 2008, 16:32

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bitRAKE wrote:

would you perfer?: 1/(0^+)

I really have to thank this thread for leading me back to the busy beaver function.

Your link also says this "... the fraction 1/0 is left undefined ...".

06 Mar 2008, 16:33

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