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JohnFound



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Hi all.

I wonder, is it a time to think about Fresh home page? Fresh grows, so we will need some bigger user base and some better advertisement some day. I know that it is too early now, but we will need some period to find hosting, Web-design etc. before we can publish Fresh on the site.

What you think?

Regards.
Post 11 Dec 2003, 09:35
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JohnFound



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For the team: Just now Privalov sent me PM, that, if we make decision to create Fresh home page, he can provide us with subdomain: http://fresh.flatassembler.net

Thank you Privalov.

Regards
Post 11 Dec 2003, 10:52
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Tommy



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That's a good idea! Wink We better make a homepage!... I'll test the new release when I get home tonight... So long!

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Tommy
Post 11 Dec 2003, 11:17
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decard



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Yeah! Creating Fresh homepage is definately a good idea Smile
Post 11 Dec 2003, 13:17
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vid
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yes:D, i think every fasm-support project already usuable and alive should have such homepage (ok, fresh is only one i know). When i started with fasm i didnt even notice there is a board, not even got picture about support projects from it.

go on, make that site
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JohnFound



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Well, I was sure, that you will like the idea. Very Happy
So, is there any volunteer for Web-master? Wink
Post 11 Dec 2003, 16:06
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roticv



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Not a good layout designer here. Better at fooling with scripts.
Post 11 Dec 2003, 17:58
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sina



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what about tutos ? hosted on sf
Post 11 Dec 2003, 21:26
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scientica
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JohnFound wrote:
So, is there any volunteer for Web-master? Wink

Possibly (don't know if I'll get much time next week, got two major test), how would you like they layout? An ideas on how the page should look (colors (eye killer background or eye friendly), fonts (monospace (Courier (New)) or sans (Helvetica,Arail,etc), sans-serif (Times New Roman, Utopia))) what it should contain (besides Fresh download), should there be images (screenshots, "button" images, logo image, etc).should the page be plain html or php?
I'm open to suggestions.

If any one got a picture in his/her head about how it could look like, make an image/sktech and let's see if we can make it possible Very Happy

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Post 11 Dec 2003, 23:00
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JohnFound



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Hi, Scientica.

My humble opinion about the page layout:

1.Simple, classic, light (for colors) design with sans-serif fonts -> something like Verdana. No frames. Small images. Contemporary logo - something almost white with fountain colors and multi level semi transparent images and blended text rotated on different angles. Very Happy I am sure you saw similar logo pictures.
2. Sections:
- About
- Screenshots - several pictures - png or gif format.
- Download
* download the Fresh last package.
* download Fresh examples - we have to write some.
* links for downloading related files -> debuger and API help files.
- Support
- Links - to the other assemblers and assembly related stuff.

3. Technology - Plain HTML with CSS should be OK for such simple site, but it is usefull to track visits and downloads, so maybe some server side scripting (PHP ?) have to be used (of course if Privalov can give us such resources.)

Regards.
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scientica
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JohnFound wrote:
1.Simple, classic, light (for colors) design with sans-serif fonts -> something like Verdana. No frames. Small images. Contemporary logo - something almost white with fountain colors and multi level semi transparent images and blended text rotated on different angles. Very Happy I am sure you saw similar logo pictures.
2. Sections:
- About
- Screenshots - several pictures - png or gif format.
- Download
* download the Fresh last package.
* download Fresh examples - we have to write some.
* links for downloading related files -> debuger and API help files.
- Support
- Links - to the other assemblers and assembly related stuff.

3. Technology - Plain HTML with CSS should be OK for such simple site, but it is usefull to track visits and downloads, so maybe some server side scripting (PHP ?) have to be used (of course if Privalov can give us such resources.)

1. You mean sans font (verdana is a sans font, a short explanation of the difference between sans and sans-serifs: serifs have like extra lines in it like The "T" in times new roman, as you can see there are small "hooks" in the ends, while the sans version is just two plain lines. Sans-serif fonts are best for print outs and sans for screens. If you look at the top of the page you'll see the text under "flat assembler", that's a sans-serif font, and under it (the links) has a sans font, at least I find it easier to read the sans text than the sans-serif).
Ok, no frames, small images, and a nice logo with differenting transparency - sound like png is the image format to use (gif only has "transparent" or "not transpranet").
2. Great structure, the screenshots should be png (IMO, due to that I find png's smaller plus that I think gif have some patent issue making things problematic).
3. I think PHP is very good (I'm working with it and I like it (it works great with MySQL too)).

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JohnFound



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scientica wrote:
1. You mean sans font (verdana is a sans font, a short explanation of the difference between sans and sans-serifs: serifs have like extra lines in it like The "T" in times new roman, as you can see there are small "hooks" in the ends, while the sans version is just two plain lines.


Little offtopic: I think you are wrong about font names. Smile AFAIK: the key word is "serif" are these litle lines ("hooks") at the end of the main character lines. So, "serif font" means the font WITH these lines and "sans serif" font means the font WITHOUT serifs. I am almost sure about this because the brother of my wife is a graphic designer and he gives me this info. For proofing example see the font "MS sans serif" -> it is without serifs. And see the font "MS serif" it is with serifs.


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and a nice logo with differenting transparency - sound like png is the image format to use


Well, I wrote it about look, not about true transparency in the image format. For example look below, at the logo of one of our main competitors. Wink It is simple and elegant. I think that we need something similar, but with little green and maybe a turtle. Very Happy

[EDIT] Images removed. [/EDIT]


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Post 12 Dec 2003, 11:14
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Tommy



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As I said, I can help with the homepage, Scientica. I've experience with both PHP and design...
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Betov



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Keep thinking of the guys with terrific slow phone lines, that will have to PAY while loading such estheticaly great, but utterly no practical use, images.


Betov.
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JohnFound



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Betov wrote:
Keep thinking of the guys with terrific slow phone lines, that will have to PAY while loading such estheticaly great, but utterly no practical use, images.
Betov.


Fully agree! The images should be as small as possible, BUT they should look great. Very Happy

Regards.
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Czubin



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background :
you could use some fasm code that would be kewl
make the pic darker otherwise it would just be mixing with the actual text

menu :
You could make dropdown menu or sidebar menu
and add this to the menu: forum (link it to this forum)

and perhaps a small userbase
<<been a crappy site builder Very Happy
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Tommy



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What about two versions of the site? One with almost no images, and another which is more graphical?
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JohnFound



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Tommy wrote:
What about two versions of the site? One with almost no images, and another which is more graphical?


Well, the proper choice is "nice AND small" not "nice OR small". Very Happy And it is possible. Wink
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pelaillo
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JohnFound wrote:
... and "sans serif" font means the font WITHOUT serifs.

Yes, "sans" is a french word meaning "without".

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IMHO, I believe that "nice AND small" is possible.
Idea a good part could be a structured source repository to quickly find snippets, examples, hints and tricks. I check this out. Wink
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Tommy



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Yes, I agree John... Smile
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