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vbVeryBeginner



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hi, i received the offical ubuntu linux cd yesterday Smile
they give me 5 i386 (live and install), 3 amd64 and 2 ppc
Smile

i install them in vmware... but they constanly using the CPU power... Sad compare to win2k or winxp in vmware... no job.. no CPU usage.... but ubuntu...(when launching firefox...) ... keep hike up the host CPU usage....

well... ... i havent install the vmware tools on ubuntu yet..
maybe later i do it.
Post 26 Sep 2005, 18:47
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evil__donkey



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I currently use Gentoo GNU/Linux 2.6.12-r6. Gentoo is a very fast distribution, but it does have a learning curve. Try out a few distributions, however. Ubuntu/Debian is nice, but binary distributions can have major conflicts. Sometimes cyclic. That's where the source comes in. You can choose prebuilt packages (compiler optimized for your processor) if you like in Gentoo too. To install a package all you need to do is open up a terminal and type:

emerge packagename

All dependencies are downloaded and built for you. Gentoo has good support on IRC, forums, and newsgroups. I'd vote 5 globes for Gentoo. Now it's time for you to choose. Use what works best for you. www.gentoo.org is a start.

Cheers,
Evil. =)
Post 30 Sep 2005, 18:24
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vbVeryBeginner



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for those who sick with all linux distro... want to build a 5 MB linux with apache only.. plez try this page

http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/

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Linux From Scratch (LFS) is a project that provides you with step-by-step instructions for building your own customized Linux system entirely from source.


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When you install a regular distribution, you often end up installing a lot of programs that you would probably never use. They're just sitting there taking up (precious) disk space. It's not hard to get an LFS system installed under 100 MB. Does that still sound like a lot? A few of us have been working on creating a very small embedded LFS system. We installed a system that was just enough to run the Apache web server; total disk space usage was approximately 8 MB. With further stripping, that can be brought down to 5 MB or less. Try that with a regular distribution.
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RedGhost



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hmm, all you windows haters :\

i use linux, but theres no reason to hate on windows, saying linux is perfect and etc, ive honestly had alot more applications freeze( not mine :p ) under slackware or ubuntu than under windows XP, and sure 9x was really unstable but ive honestly never had a fatal crash under XP (NT)

also i dont think its fair to tell someone who is nearly computer illiterate to switch to linux, your professor is a jerk -_-

@ posts on first page :p

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Post 12 Oct 2005, 11:46
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Endre



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Ok, I've changed to gentoo. Now I can advise you either gentoo if you want to have everything optimized to your hardware or slackware if you like well assembled OSs but aren't very much interessted in omptimizations.
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HyperVista



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I like SLAX. http://www.slax.org
Post 28 Jun 2006, 17:36
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a16b03



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I Love Gentoo.

It's easy to castumize + it's fast + documented,
Post 03 Jul 2006, 12:45
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Patrick_



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Let's just say this... if you're coding in assembly, you'll love Gentoo. It's basically pure-linux. No frills, no "help me do this please". You customize it to your liking, you only compile/install what you want. You configure everything, even the kernel. It's very fast and minimal.

I've been using it for two years, without Windows installed on my HD.
Post 03 Jul 2006, 14:43
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OzzY



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I need some advice.
I tried some live CD distros: Kurumin (brazilian), Kalango (brazilian), Slax, DSL, and Ubuntu.
I think I'll install Ubuntu.

I have an Athlon XP 2000+, 256 RAM (video card onboard, so it wastes a bit), 40 GB with WinXP NTFS (20GB free).

How much space will Ubuntu need?

Will it run fast on this machine?

How much of space should I use for EXT, SWAP and FAT32 (for exchange data) should I have?

The live CD of Ubuntu run a bit slow (While with Kalango Linux it run very fast in live CD and I'm able to open more then 5 programs at once), will it run fast when installed in HD?

To make the partitions, Partition Magic is OK? I will not loose data?

Thanks!
I need to know this to be sure before install.
Post 15 Sep 2006, 16:10
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LocoDelAssembly
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Quote:

How much of space should I use for EXT, SWAP and FAT32 (for exchange data) should I have?

Better use www.fs-driver.org

Runs faster when installed but I think that my WinXP is faster than ubuntu.

I used PartitionMagic once for a NTFS and I was very lucky in recover my partition with just using chkdsk. I tried it with a FAT filesystem without any problems but with NTFS there was an error while converting. To be safe use a version that runs on boot CD o something like that (my successful attempt was with a boot CD and my unsuccessful attempt with a version that works under Windows and does the converting stuff in the initial loading of Windows).

[edit] Sorry I'm wrong. My expirience with PartitionMagic was in changing partitions size, not in converting them to another filesystem format.[/edit]
Post 15 Sep 2006, 16:55
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DataHunter2009



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You customize it to your liking, you only compile/install what you want. You configure everything, even the kernel. It's very fast and minimal.

This isn't anything new. Almost all (good) linux distros are like this.
Post 15 Sep 2006, 21:39
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OzzY



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I agree with RedGhost.
I see lots of people saying Linux is the best OS, but it can give lots more problems then Windows XP.

I know that Linux is free software and Windows is not cheap, but most Linux users tend to be fanatic and have allways the same arguments: Windows has security/virus problems, windows hangs,...

But after using WinXP for long time I never got a security problem or virus or hangs. It just runs fast and clean.
I think they don't know how to use Windows and say it's bad, and then move to Linux and can blame their lack of knowledge on the fact that Linux is for geeks only.
Then they say that they want Linux to be an OS for everyone, from newbies to experts, but when you ask for help you're ignored or you have to type 20 commands to download a driver for your exotic device. Laughing

In some cases they say "I have to boot into Windows to play games" or "I can't install only Linux on my machine, because my grandma can't use it".

I think both Windows and Linux are excellent systems. But while Linux keep having 357350730527 different distros and keep using command line for everything they'll never have Linux user base as large as Windows has.

You can say "I don't need allways the command line. Linux has GUI: KDE, Gnome,...". Yes, but have you ever noticed how Windows GUI is far better integrated than Linux GUI?
Have you ever needed to go to command line on Windows except if really want or you want to not use GUI applications? (ex: compile a source code).

I still think Linux is a geek-only OS. Just try to show it to someone that know nothing about computers and you'll see.
I agree that to use every OS and even the computer you have to have some knowledge, but on Windows they can at least read the e-mails, type the homework and play the games without having to study as a computer scientist and know what a "kernel" means.

It's my own experience. I tried to show Linux to my sister and she said "The penguin is cute, but I prefer Windows.".
I don't think Linux will attract newbie users by having a cute penguin. Rolling Eyes
Post 19 Sep 2006, 19:18
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I recomend Ubuntu for a first taste of linux. It's easy to install and configure and there is a great guide on the internet to help those who get stuck (www.ubuntuguide.org). Once you get familier with Linux then I recomend going to Gentoo or even LFS(Linux from Scratch) because they will give you a good education about what Linux is built upon and what it can do.

I don't find it benificial to insult people because they choose windows. It seems that you haven't had much experiance with windows lately to be able to say all those things are still true. My system has never locked up because of the network stack or even shown signs of high CPU usage.

I use both Windows and Linux. My favorite way to use linux is without a GUI. It just reminds me of the old green screen days. I have a use for both Windows and Linux and they both suit me very well for what I use them for. I always have a linux box just an SSH connection away to use as I see fit Smile

Sorry, but Software/OS bigots bother me. I believe there are many ways to accomplish a task and you should use whatever tools you see fit. Even if that means using DOS then have fun.
Post 08 Oct 2006, 22:20
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MCD



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Finally, I took a looooot of time in comparing 2 quiet recent debian derivates: Ubuntu 6.06 (with long term support) and Kanotix 5.0 http://kanotix.com/(which is an improved derivate of the very popular Knoppix in germany).

I pretty much liked Ubuntu, it has a very easy to use, intuitive and user friendly GNOME desktop. It comes only with free Software, and that's also one of its disadvantage: you will have to install several delicate, system sensitive Software if you want same functionality as in MS W****s, and that's likely to be too difficult for your mom Laughing (stuff for recent WLAN, 3D cards, new filesystems like reiser4 and maybe CSS stuff...). Except this problem, Ubuntu has just 1 flaw: as a default, it tries to format your entire harddisk on installation in order to use the whole space for itself, the option to unselect this behaviour can easily be overseen be novice users (which in turn don't yet have data and multiple OSes on different partitions...).
Plus, Ubuntu comes with a nice video with Nelson Mandela Laughing

After all, I prefer Kanotix, it is very up to date, outstanding hardware support (custom kernel) and lots of multimedia support(even some newer MS W***s formats, binary drivers recent graphics cards...). It uses KDE per default which is more bloated than GNOME, but also more customizable and thus allows easier handling (for me). Plus, it features some funtions which are missing/well hidden in GNOME on Ubuntu. One disadvatage of Kanotix is its buggy GUI-based package installer, Adept, which crashes almost on every 2nd change you make Evil or Very Mad , Synaptic from Ubuntu was much better, stable and more customizable!

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arafel



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arafel
Speaking of debian's..
I currently trying out the new Debian Etch test build. And must say for a development built it's quite impressive. Installation is easy, synaptic package manager seems to work fine without any manual tuning, and internet connection which usually takes me some hours to setup on other distros (my ISP requires connection through l2tp with some unique settings) went rather smoothly.
Overall, seems like Debian 4.0 is gonna to be very nice distro, but probably still won't make me want to switch from Fedora Core. Cool

MCD wrote:
new filesystems like reiser4

hehe.. I wouldn't worry about reiser4 much. Due to the recent developments in Hans' (main reiserfs developer) personal life it doubtfully will ever be a big success Rolling Eyes
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MCD



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arafel wrote:

MCD wrote:
new filesystems like reiser4

hehe.. I wouldn't worry about reiser4 much. Due to the recent developments in Hans' (main reiserfs developer) personal life it doubtfully will ever be a big success Rolling Eyes

Well, I was also trying some other XFS, JFS filesystems cause for my purpose EXT3 was just to slow. But will have to worry about many other details, like support and so on...

to come to reiser4, it worked perfectly for me, except 1Kernel module notice: stuff like write barrier not supported.
I guess this is a feature not yet implemented in the kernel or so.

It also was astonishing that witth some actions EXT3 has more perfomence than reiser4, and that reiser4 is still very CPU-intense

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vid
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just installing Gentoo 64bit in VMware.... grrr, takes ages
Post 13 Oct 2006, 08:55
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arafel



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vid it depends on what you need it for. XFS performs better on servers. ext3 is very good for general use. and raiser4 seems to beat both ext3 and XFS in terms of speed. But with the recent dismissal by some major distros and a big chance of the head developer to be going to jail for the next twenty years it seems to be loosing momentum really fast...
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All you have to do to add non-free packages to Ubuntu is just add a couple repositories. http://www.ubuntuguide.org. I realize that this might be more than some can handle though it's still not too hard for most of the people I come in contact with.

Now if I could just play CS:S with a reasonable framerate in Linux I would be ok.
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okasvi



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slackware + fluxbox = <3
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