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why people stuck in child pornography, i hardly understand.

is having zero empathy the main reason?
like some of the brain scanner reveals some people couldn't feel empathy?

so they walk on earth like a robot to perform some tasks without any consideration to others?

i think, it is true also if saying people who eat meat are having less empathy too, at least we blinded ourselves to the suffering of others, the animals,

does testing others badly actually grow ourselves to become less empathy, and perhaps a monster one day? i guess the answer is yes.

idea arise, changes inside our dna and friends happened, and body physically responds accordingly to changes, maybe,
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revolution
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Here is a "fun" link:
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/mar/20/child-abuse-imagery-bitcoin-blockchain-illegal-content

Be careful with your cryptocurrency blockchains, they might send you to jail.
Post 22 Mar 2018, 03:49
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Furs



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sleepsleep wrote:
why people stuck in child pornography, i hardly understand.

is having zero empathy the main reason?
like some of the brain scanner reveals some people couldn't feel empathy?

so they walk on earth like a robot to perform some tasks without any consideration to others?
I'm afraid I don't understand your reasoning here. What has child porn have to do with empathy?!?

I think it's a bit ridiculous especially given that even "artificial" (i.e. animated) child porn is illegal. That's like saying people who like gore movies (horror and slashers etc) lack empathy because they like to see others suffer / tortured. wtf.

Some people just have different preferences. To me, people who like child porn are sick, but I wouldn't be that quick to judge them of lacking empathy. They could just like to see power shoven on innocents just as well. Maybe their brain is wired differently, you only need a small change in the brain to go from "adult porn obsession" to "child porn". Yet the social stigma is enormous. Humans aren't the most logical.

PS: I hate "moral" arguments, just piss me off so much because they're almost always without any logic and just based on what the dumb majority agrees with -- i.e. what's wired differently in the brain can be considered "wacko", "psycho" or "immoral". Moral arguments are like tyranny by majority, literally.

That said I'm completely against child abuse, just like completely against any rape or sexual assault of any kind (and, people say children can't give proper consent, so there's no other way either than just being immoral). Reason? Simple logic. It's a forced act (or something children can't consent with), so it is obviously immoral, just as killing or stealing.

But I wouldn't say those people lack empathy any more than people who like to watch "porn rape" crap.
Post 22 Mar 2018, 12:55
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IMHO, it is just a set of conditions met together.

First, remember that the ages of consent are different in different countries. Note also that in the past marriages with 14-year-olds weren’t unusual. We also know that technically pregnancy is possible at the age of 11 or so, although it causes harm to such girls. So, there’s no and can’t be a single rule on what child porn is. Not from legal point of view but from the point of view of human sexuality.

Second. It is forbidden. And forbidden things are almost always what makes sexual life more spicy. As well as everything related to sex. Look at the list of porn genres: incest, guro, sex with pregnants, violence-alike (rape, BDSM), teacher and student, babysitters, etc. A lot of them are either forbidden by our society or are considered inappropriate. And I guess shift of the interest from lighter genres to harder ones may result from the fact that viewer gets used to the lighter genres and looks for something new and hotter.

Third, paternal instinct may also be involved here. Maybe in conjunction with some situations from the childhood. I guess, this is what could make one’s interests shift to this direction (being a vector that is multiplied by the scalar of the previous reason).

Also, a set of fetishes or their lack. Like whether one prefers hairy or shaved partners, stuff like that.

Of course, I share my guesses on what creates demand for child porn. ’Cause supply is definitely caused by the demand and lack of some moral qualities.
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@Furs
define empathy
- the ability to understand and share the feelings of another.

- Empathy is the experience of understanding another person's condition from their perspective. You place yourself in their shoes and feel what they are feeling.

if you could understand the suffering and future internal / external complication and conflict of a raped / sexual abused child, would you still perform something that cause them to face those situation?

Furs wrote:

I think it's a bit ridiculous especially given that even "artificial" (i.e. animated) child porn is illegal. That's like saying people who like gore movies (horror and slashers etc) lack empathy because they like to see others suffer / tortured. wtf.

our brain activates the same pattern when viewing something live, and animated child porn, or horror movie, the repeating process will cause you to immune up to the stage it becomes something accepted and you got no issue with it,

Furs wrote:

PS: I hate "moral" arguments, just piss me off so much because they're almost always without any logic and just based on what the dumb majority agrees with

or human lack the ability to understand and define "moral"?

define moral
1. concerned with the principles of right and wrong behaviour.
2. holding or manifesting high principles for proper conduct.

Furs wrote:

But I wouldn't say those people lack empathy any more than people who like to watch "porn rape" crap.

watching a real porn rape is an obvious signal that person is lack of empathy, period.
a person who have empathy wouldnt get excited while knowing another person is suffering,
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I think empathy is an entirely separate thing from rape or CP. You can have none, one or both. Someone could feel empathy for their victims (not just CP/rape, but any form of suffering) and still continue the actions. There are many varied psychological conditions that drive people to do things even though they feel disgusted or pained by it.

If your goal is to stop CP/rapes then you won't get there by instilling empathy in everyone. The only way to reach such a goal is to remove the opportunities. That is why prisons and jails exist. It is not a perfect "solution" but it is all we have.


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Post 23 Mar 2018, 01:24
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Furs



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sleepsleep wrote:
@Furs
define empathy
- the ability to understand and share the feelings of another.

- Empathy is the experience of understanding another person's condition from their perspective. You place yourself in their shoes and feel what they are feeling.

if you could understand the suffering and future internal / external complication and conflict of a raped / sexual abused child, would you still perform something that cause them to face those situation?
Dude, it's porn. It doesn't even have to be real, what suffering would there be? That's what I meant with horror movies: they're not real and doesn't make someone lack empathy for liking gore.

I mean, rape scenes in movies are pretty legal, but if there's a child involved it's suddenly illegal, even if it's obviously not real. That's what I meant. I mean even ANIMATED child porn is illegal (aka completely unreal/virtual).

So a person watching an adult get raped in a movie has empathy but if it's a child he suddenly stops having empathy??? Obviously I'd question someone who actually enjoys (I mean in a literal sense) such a scene, but I wouldn't say they lack empathy.
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Furs: The notion of legal/illegal is not an absolute. Different countries have different laws.
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revolution wrote:

The only way to reach such a goal is to remove the opportunitie

sure, according to you and certainly no if according to me.

the idea that one feel empathy but still continue their harmful actions is probably one is the craziest human aspect,

most likely is, we are not empathy enough,
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I can see underwater fish, distant stars, every city and animal in just a few clicks, yet a nude girl is such a taboo. So irritating, what's so special about them?

By the way, actual "porn" porn is quite disappointing, they just never stuck it in. (because you can't do it without some serious damage? I doubt it's a very pleasant sight then, might as well watch murder.) It's the same level of silliness as faggotry, that's not how making babies work.

Personally I'm more interested in videos of giving birth, i guess it's not that popular.

By the way, not everyone agrees on what "child" is. One site said that the best age for giving birth is at around 21 and beyond, don't remember how it proved that. Another book said that the social maturity is very delayed from the actual body maturity due to how harder it became to find a job in the post industrial world. You have to learn a lot before you can secure a source of income and make babs of your own.
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vivik wrote:
I can see underwater fish, distant stars, every city and animal in just a few clicks, yet a nude girl is such a taboo. So irritating, what's so special about them?
If it weren't special then no one would be irritated by it being taboo.

If you tried going out to the public street and ask some random woman to take off her clothes for you, the response would be somewhat negative. So clearly it is special to many people.
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probably worth reading,
isgp-studies.com/belgian-x-dossiers-of-the-dutroux-affair
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Why russian government thinks that even drawings of naked children are illegal? Am I hurting anybody by drawing that?

It's the same level of silly as when you can draw somebody being beheaded and dismembered, but you absolutely MUST add a tiny tiny censorship bar at the vagina. Everyone knows it's silly, but nobody does any official actions just for porn, and I guess they are afraid that bringing attention to this will only make situation worse. If some politician will promise to lift the danbooru ban, I will honestly vote for him, I have so many good memories of that site. They were selfmoderating themselves already, yet "what's the point if they can point at whatever and say it's cp".
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would something become a victim, or more likely to be taken advantage of when the official declared that associate with that something is not judgable by law?
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Abuse of children happens primarily due to a lack of development of the predator. Typically, power is given to individuals that are weak in particular social aspects - children are the easiest targets for abuse. Child abuse also can stunt the growth of the child - which is why the abuse perpetuates.
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