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revolution
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Okay, I haven't been following SSD sizes, 2TB is actually good, but expensive though. And the extra cost provides me with no benefit. The extra IOPS and throughput wouldn't get used. Better I save my money with a 2TB HDD and spend the remainder on food and shelter.
Post 29 Jun 2017, 16:38
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Furs wrote:

YONG wrote:
To me, it does not make sense to buy a high-end / top-of-the-line laptop and expect it to last over a decade. Tech is just evolving too rapidly.

in fact that quote was even in your post (as you replied to rugxulo about it) so obviously was the context. Besides this whole thread is about buying laptops isn't it? Wink

So, you are putting words in my mouth for what I said in another post. Great!

Mad
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revolution wrote:

YONG wrote:
Did I even mention that the lifespan of such a laptop was 2 years?

It is implied by the 2 year time span for the comparison CPUs you mentioned. Suggesting it is far enough "evolved" to be worthy of serious consideration for upgrading.

Your twisted implication is simply stunning -- I am truly impressed.

Mad
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sleepsleep wrote:
we need something that could recharge itself without plugging in any power, Embarassed

That "thing" is called "quantum fluctuation". Unfortunately, we cannot extract energy from such a phenomenon (yet).

Wink
Post 30 Jun 2017, 02:06
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YONG wrote:
So, you are putting words in my mouth for what I said in another post. Great!

You weren't clear about the context, because to me the context seemed to be about purchasing "cheap laptops" often due to the "fast evolution", so I just explained why I thought that. Wink
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YONG wrote:
Your twisted implication is simply stunning -- I am truly impressed.

Alright, So we got it wrong, no big deal, we are human and make mistakes. Could you please be kind enough to tell us the intended meaning(s) then?
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Furs



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Is there something special about Core 2 Duo? Why all the TET laptops use them? Do they lack some new backdoors that the Core i* line has?
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Furs wrote:
Is there something special about Core 2 Duo? Why all the TET laptops use them? Do they lack some new backdoors that the Core i* line has?

I believe that most of the TET laptops are refurbished IBM/Lenovo ThinkPad laptops, which happen to use Core 2 Duo processors.

Wink
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I'm going to stroll in with the devils card. Twisted Evil

Every macbook I've had my hands on has ran linux at 100% compatibility and beautifully, It's actually quite insane how well Linux works on a mac... LOL

Just pick up a 2010 model with a core2duo for like $200 and slap a new SSD in it... Maybe upgrade that DD3, most are sitting with 2GB and many models from that time frame can support 4 or 8GB depending if it's a macbook or macbook pro (macbook pros were also available with nVidia/Radeon graphics if that matters to you although I'd avoid the pre-2014 radeon models as those had issues with the GPU malfunctioning(they came unsoldered from the board)).

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it is september now, about to enter october soon in a few more week,

i hope revolution already equipped with a desktop/laptop with linux / bsd os, Wink

cross fingers revolution code a new os, Wink
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I'm trying to convince my company to part sponsor a new purchase. I have a short list of models but they are all too expensive for me to afford alone. This is not an urgent requirement, so I'll wait it out.
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well, there are thing that i dont really understand about your adventure into linux / bsd world, maybe it is not so important, Laughing

http://www3.lenovo.com/us/en/outletus/laptops/c/LAPTOPS

amazon certified refurbished,
https://www.amazon.com/b/ref=tb_surl_refurbished/?node=12653393011

thinkpad i5 below usd 200, i think they are quite nice and reasonable price, i think so,
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Haha, a brief summary of my email conversation with one system vendor:

Me: Can I get system X with an HDD instead of the SSD?
Vendor: SSDs are much faster than HDDs so you will want an SSD.
Me: I want to know if I can have the SSD changed to an HDD instead.
Vendor: Why would you want that? SSD are faster!
Me: I don't care about the speed, I prefer the larger size.
Vendor: But SSDs are faster, you should get one.
Me: I don't want an SSD, I want an HDD. Can I get system X with an HDD?
Vendor: Yes, you can add an HDD as a secondary drive.
Me: I want a system without any SSD. And have an HDD as the only drive.
Vendor: SSDs are faster, don't you want that?
Me: No.
Vendor: Faster drives means a better experience.
Me: You didn't answer my question at all.
Vendor: What was the question?
Me: Never mind.

Wow, talk about a useless sales person so focussed on upselling that they fail to make any sale.
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idk who the vendor or if this is real conversation, you should definitely stop patron them, i usually recommend my customer to change their default system to use SSD, but if they don't want, i am ok, i just give them what they want,

it is not really hard, we got 2TB mechanical hard drive if you insist, Smile
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revolution wrote:
Haha, a brief summary of my email conversation with one system vendor:

Me: Can I get system X with an HDD instead of the SSD?
Vendor: SSDs are much faster than HDDs so you will want an SSD.
Me: I want to know if I can have the SSD changed to an HDD instead.
Vendor: Why would you want that? SSD are faster!
Me: I don't care about the speed, I prefer the larger size.
Vendor: But SSDs are faster, you should get one.
Me: I don't want an SSD, I want an HDD. Can I get system X with an HDD?
Vendor: Yes, you can add an HDD as a secondary drive.
Me: I want a system without any SSD. And have an HDD as the only drive.
Vendor: SSDs are faster, don't you want that?
Me: No.
Vendor: Faster drives means a better experience.
Me: You didn't answer my question at all.
Vendor: What was the question?
Me: Never mind.

Wow, talk about a useless sales person so focussed on upselling that they fail to make any sale.

Just tell him upfront what capacity you want and to keep the same price or lower (assuming you know HDD prices vs SSDs). He won't be able to get out of it with bullshit about speed, since he won't find such a capacity on a SSD at same price.

At the end of the day, maybe you make him less ignorant while at it, but that's probably wishful thinking, since ignorant people love to stay that way.
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Haha, and here is a follow up email after my NVM above:

Vendor: I misunderstood. An SSD is required for the OS on system X so we wont be able to build one with an HDD as the OS drive. Sorry about the confusion.

Is that true? Linux requires an SSD? I don't think so. So it is more bullshit from the vendor?
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No it's pure bullshit. If anything Linux can run from any device or any filesystem that's "accessible" (by the bootloader, which loads the kernel), much more flexible than Windows here. (even from optical discs or read-only media or virtual filesystems like squashfs)

Of course once it's loaded it can fully use a HDD, that's a given (else you wouldn't be able to use any HDD not just "system" drive). I use a HDD myself anyway...
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My short list just became a shorter list.
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maybe there are some customized stuffs that will probably degrade the overall performance if without ssd,

i boot my linux from usb, and copy them into memory, works without hdd or ssd,

reasons would be they dont want their after support to deal with issue
- my system is damn slow, it is not f. working,
- my system admin want to save some imaging time, hdd means we must wait for the slow copy and init,

ssd might be useful if later on you decide to throw linux and welcome windows 10, Laughing
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