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YONG



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sleepsleep wrote:
idk much of the terms you mentioned, YONG, sorry,

There is no need to apologize for not knowing those technical terms.

But you do need to apologize for not willing to learn the fundamental stuff. You can't use "idk" as an excuse for the rest of your life. Start learning today!

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But if sleepsleep learns some basic physics then he will realise that all this perpetual motion stuff is impossible. And then all the fun of designing yet another impossible PM device is gone. It might be better to remain ignorant of the science behind it all and just keep trying. Rolling Eyes
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revolution wrote:
It might be better to remain ignorant of the science behind it all and just keep trying. Rolling Eyes

That sounds like the excuse that a mod has been using to defend himself/herself for tricking other forum members into visiting his/her website:

Those who keep asking stupid and/or trivial questions should be reminded of their laziness -- they are not even willing to do a few google searches to find the answers!

When many forum members remain ignorant, that mod can keep doing the trick to increase his/her post count. What a brilliant idea!

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YONG wrote:
But you do need to apologize for not willing to learn the fundamental stuff.

my mind run in snail speed, :shy:


revolution wrote:
But if sleepsleep learns some basic physics then he will realise that all this perpetual motion stuff is impossible.


maybe, but there are still lots of people who know a lot, and they still keep trying,

but what it means by perpetual? is sun light, sun heat perpetual, thunderstorm, raining, etc?

if it works for a person lifetime, i define that as perpetual,


YONG wrote:
that mod can keep doing the trick to increase his/her post count


yeah, the count post somehow sync with baby maker size, good luck and happy Laughing ing


YONG wrote:
Those who keep asking stupid and/or trivial questions should be reminded of their laziness


example? or i just ask a stupid or trivial questions?
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sleepsleep wrote:

revolution wrote:
But if sleepsleep learns some basic physics then he will realise that all this perpetual motion stuff is impossible.


There is a difference between knowing things and actually understanding things. That difference is called learning. Smile
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To say it properly, it's only impossible with our current understanding of physics, of course. But that is implied since he obviously doesn't know some secret physics we don't know ourselves, hence bases it on current physics so yes it's impossible.

BTW @sleepsleep, the Sun emits a massive amount of energy, most of the stuff you say are perpetual are in fact consuming energy. They're not perpetual at all.

Do you consider Solar Panels generate perpetual energy? Or a motor coupled to a solar panel as perpetual? Confused
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Furs wrote:
Do you consider Solar Panels generate perpetual energy? Or a motor coupled to a solar panel as perpetual?


i consider anything that could work for a person lifetime, a human single generation or two or three generation, is perpetual,

surely changes happen on and inside sun, there is nothing perpetual if we vision it in grand scale, anything that could supply, become a resource for hundred or thousand years, is quite perpetual in my sense, and we will definitely find more alternative stuffs with discoveries in future,

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Make one and report back with your experiment results.
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sleepsleep wrote:

YONG wrote:
Those who keep asking stupid and/or trivial questions should be reminded of their laziness

example? or i just ask a stupid or trivial questions?

Refer to:

https://board.flatassembler.net/topic.php?p=188591#188591

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sleepsleep wrote:
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I guess it took you ten minutes or so to draw that diagram.

Think about it. If, instead of wasting your time on such drawings, you start learning the fundamental stuff immediately, you will be better off in the long run.

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sleepsleep wrote:
i consider anything that could work for a person lifetime, a human single generation or two or three generation, is perpetual,

That definition is fair enough.

Yet, physicists tend to define "perpetuity" with reference to the age of the (observable) universe -- around 13.8 billion years.

So, if the motion in question can, theoretically speaking, last billions of years, it is generally considered "perpetual".

Refer to:

Age of the universe
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_the_universe

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there are fire, lightning, water, air, ether?

naively i believe, there are ways to get works done with natural elements,
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Being occasionally naive is a good thing. But most of the time you do need to be practical and realistic.

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sleepsleep wrote:
i consider anything that could work for a person lifetime, a human single generation or two or three generation, is perpetual,

In that case, with this simplistic definition which differs from what most other would consider it, you have many many examples of PM. A simple flag on a flag pole. A hydro-electric dam. A solar panel. etc.

This definition is not interesting in a physics sense. You will have no trouble inventing devices to accomplish your version of PM. But one thing I do suspect is that magnets are not the answer. They don't create or convert energy, they only store energy. You will still need some energy source to power your design.
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revolution wrote:
A simple flag on a flag pole. A solar panel. etc.

Are they "machines"? Rolling Eyes

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revolution wrote:
In that case, with this simplistic definition which differs from what most other would consider it, you have many many examples of PM. A simple flag on a flag pole. A hydro-electric dam. A solar panel. etc.


i am looking perpetual from the human lifetime viewpoint, since nobody have live and witness perpetual in million or billion years, if it works for the whole life of a human, that is already perpetual for him/her,


revolution wrote:
But one thing I do suspect is that magnets are not the answer. They don't create or convert energy, they only store energy. You will still need some energy source to power your design.


thanks for sharing your ideas,
your website shows me the following

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How long do magnets last?
This alignment is damaged over time, principally as the result of heat and stray electromagnetic fields, and this weakens the level of magnetism. The process is very slow, however: a modern samarium-cobalt magnet takes around 700 years to lose half its strength.


impressive, 700 years! imagine the moment i atart typing from last 5 or 10 years till now, the magnet still releasing its magnetic field,

is the field moving, or they are static? and what are the relationship of this field compare to sound, light? can we bind light to magnetic field? rainbow?
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sleepsleep wrote:
your website shows me the following

How come I could not find any useful information on revolution's website? Rolling Eyes

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sleepsleep wrote:

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How long do magnets last?


That is "degradation of flux density over time".

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isn't 700 years kinda impressive? losing half of its strength only, not even sure who could live so long to witness this,

i thought about this last night, there should be a new futuristic sport, riding magnetic waves, like people riding ocean waves, or skiing,

i think that would be very exciting!
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sleepsleep wrote:
is the field moving, or they are static?

The field is static, from a short-term point of view.

However, since the strength of the magnetic field is gradually weakening, the field is changing over a long period of time.

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