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YONG



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revolution wrote:
It is the user's data, not Microsoft's data. And MS have no right to simply grab it because they want it.

So, what could we, as users of the Windows OS, do about it? Switch to another OS? Rolling Eyes

Please give us some feasible advice.

Wink
Post 01 Mar 2017, 05:15
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revolution
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I wish I could give advice. Commercial interests are very powerful with Windows. I am still trying to avoid it. I hope to eventually be successful, but the chance is slim. There are too many entrenched things that quite simply will not function with Linux or any non-Windows system. And VMs don't help. One can't connect to / use specialised hardware that only comes with Windows drivers within a VM. At least not yet anyway. Perhaps one day there will come a time when Linux can support Windows drivers natively?
Post 01 Mar 2017, 05:22
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Furs



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revolution wrote:
I wish I could give advice. Commercial interests are very powerful with Windows. I am still trying to avoid it. I hope to eventually be successful, but the chance is slim. There are too many entrenched things that quite simply will not function with Linux or any non-Windows system. And VMs don't help. One can't connect to / use specialised hardware that only comes with Windows drivers within a VM. At least not yet anyway.

The thing is, those entrenched things exist because people use/want them on Windows, without knowing they contribute to the problem. If people did not use them, or refused to use them on Windows, they would get ported to Linux or simply have better alternatives.

VMs are ok for software, and for drivers they sometimes work (at least with a VM you can disable its internet access and not give it a network card).

I find myself using VMs for software less and less though -- Wine is just that good these days for the things I need. (90% of software I run is under Wine, even though I use Linux, so I'm not even looking for "native" Linux alternatives like some OSS fanatics... perfectly fine with Windows software Razz)

I still use VMs a lot not just due to OS things but sometimes to install temporary bloat without fucking my system or my wineprefixes (temporary wineprefix works too but I prefer VM because it's fully isolated) or things I suspect of malware (I'm paranoid). My VM is "temporary" itself, I compressed its customized image and then extract it with a simple bash script to tmpfs (fully in RAM) before running it, and then of course once I'm done it gets removed.

BTW VMs can work with certain drivers, like USB devices. You can give them "direct access" to specific USB devices. For example I had to update firmware on my mouse and of course it only supported Windows (also the updater was super bloated and fucked up the registry!)... so I simply installed it in the VM, gave it direct access to the USB mouse, and updated its firmware (I had to plug a secondary mouse to use it outside the VM tho until it was done, so technically I had two mice at once).

I don't know what kind of drivers you need but if it's for an USB device, VMs can work fine IMO. Wink (I would use them even on Windows if it's something temporary, due to less bloat)


revolution wrote:
Perhaps one day there will come a time when Linux can support Windows drivers natively?

Extremely unlikely (unless a project is started to do that). ReactOS does support Windows drivers, though. Unfortunately it's too premature compared to Wine.
Post 01 Mar 2017, 12:11
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Given that Windows 10 has so many issues, maybe we should try using Windows 98 instead.

I almost burst into laughter when watching the screen of the old laptop fall backwards:

Can you use a windows98 computer in 2017?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dA58zWmQfC4&t=2m21s

Wink
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Furs



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Ah Win98, good old times. I still have a VM with it around for some old hacky games I used to play Wink

I like to collect software/OSes I used and have it useable (like in VMs) to feel "safe" with my memories... just like some people collect photos and other things to keep memories...

I don't know why people think software is different than movies or pictures in terms of its lasting "value" (obviously, not speaking about purchase value because personal pictures have zero value in that logic). Maybe that makes me a nerd. I just can't stand people who think "moving on" is OK in software but they'd cry if their collection of photos would get lost.
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Furs wrote:

I like to collect software/OSes


you will definitely love this site, https://winworldpc.com/


YONG wrote:

Given that Windows 10 has so many issues, maybe we should try using Windows 98 instead.


i installed a few trial copy of windows 8.1 embedded, on a tablet and laptop, and vm(s), using the dism deploy method, i think 8.1 embedded is quite good, comes with uefi 32 / 64 bit, almost supported in modern hardware without any issues,

i will skip windows 10 for as long as i could,

will try qubeos soon in my main system,
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sleepsleep wrote:
will try qubeos soon in my main system,

I won't try qubeos.

But I may give Qubes OS a try when I have time.

Wink
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sleepsleep wrote:
you will definitely love this site, https://winworldpc.com/

Yep, actually I do. I think it's one of those gems on the internet that really need to forever survive/stay up. Similar to webarchive and (to a lesser extent) wikipedia.
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YONG wrote:

sleepsleep wrote:
will try qubeos soon in my main system,

I won't try qubeos.

But I may give Qubes OS a try when I have time.

Wink



Embarassed sorry, i mean qubes os,
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sleepsleep wrote:
Embarassed sorry, i mean qubes os,

Nope, still wrong. It is Qubes OS.

Capital letters do matter.
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Not on Windows -- filesystems are case insensitive Razz
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i installed the capital letters qubes os yesterday,

able to run some disposable fedora 23, firefox, etc,
saw whonix inside its zen template, https://www.whonix.org/


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Whonix is a free desktop operating system (OS) that is specifically designed for advanced security and privacy. Based on Tor, Debian GNU/Linux and the principle of security by isolation, it realistically addresses common attack vectors while maintaining usability


not sure if i like it, and can't see the added advantages on running xen type 1 virtualization vs tiny linux with virtualbox, i could feel the type 2 is more faster and responsive, Embarassed Embarassed Embarassed


revolution wrote:
One can't connect to / use specialised hardware that only comes with Windows drivers within a VM.


i tried the following, my host Linux isn't setup with 3 in 1 canon or hp printer/scanner, i connect the cable to host, under virtualbox, direct that usb device into windows 7 vm, install the printer/scanner, and it successfully prints and scans,
surely, using a specialized hardware in a non-recommended environment is always asking for trouble,

wish you good luck with your specialized hardware, Smile


rugxulo wrote:

but I suggest you download the Zorin distro since it comes with WINE preinstalled


beautiful, another pretty candidate http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=deepin
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Windows 10 version history
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_10_version_history

beside the editions, you got 4 flavour right now,
fast ring
slow ring
public release
release preview,

btw, they just redo the recommend telemetry update, please install win 10 kb on windows 7, wtf,

the only safe os right now might be dos, and others diy os,
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Yay. Ads in the explorer window. Now that is something I've always wanted, annoying distractions and time wasting sales pitches designed to encourage me to pay to put ever more personal data into MS's computers (aka "the cloud").

http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/microsoft-advertising-onedrive-in-windows-10-file-explorer/

Quote:
Basically, you might start seeing a new promotion for OneDrive when you’re perusing your file structure in Windows 10. OneDrive is baked into Windows 10 and can’t easily be uninstalled, and Microsoft wants to make sure you know that the 5GB of free OneDrive storage can be easily upgraded to significantly more space.

Remember folks: If you are paying for the product, you are the product.

Hey, wait, what, that doesn't seem quite right. But it is. The brave new world of paying to become the product. And also not paying to become the product.
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My Windows 10 laptop & tablet have been offline for a few months. I think I should have them updated next week.

Other than those annoying ads, are there any major issues with the recent updates? Rolling Eyes

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YONG wrote:
My Windows 10 laptop & tablet have been offline for a few months. I think I should have them updated next week.

Why bother? What can you benefit by updating?

YONG wrote:
Other than those annoying ads, are there any major issues with the recent updates?

Who knows? Maybe, maybe not. It's a lottery as to what happens. One things is guaranteed though, you'll get to give MS more of your data.
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revolution wrote:

YONG wrote:
My Windows 10 laptop & tablet have been offline for a few months. I think I should have them updated next week.

Why bother? What can you benefit by updating?

New virus definitions, new OS features, and new applications. Overall performance may improve.

Wink
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revolution wrote:
One things is guaranteed though, you'll get to give MS more of your data.

That is part of the deal when using M$ products!

Wink
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YONG wrote:

revolution wrote:

YONG wrote:
My Windows 10 laptop & tablet have been offline for a few months. I think I should have them updated next week.

Why bother? What can you benefit by updating?

New virus definitions, new OS features, and new applications. Overall performance may improve.

In other words, nothing of value. And do you really need micro-percentages of performance improvements (assuming anything actually improves)? Would you be able to tell the difference?

Hmm, as I thought, I am still not missing anything in Win10. Razz
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performance is defined totally different from ms windows perspective,
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