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TmX



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.NET is open source
This is a really big step by MS


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On Wednesday, Microsoft Corp. reinforced its commitment to cross-platform developer experiences by open sourcing the full server-side .NET stack and expanding .NET to run on the Linux and Mac OS platforms. Microsoft also released Visual Studio Community 2013, a new free edition of Visual Studio that provides easy access to the Visual Studio core toolset.

http://news.microsoft.com/2014/11/12/microsoft-takes-net-open-source-and-cross-platform-adds-new-development-capabilities-with-visual-studio-2015-net-2015-and-visual-studio-online/



For folks who wish to use .NET instead of Java for cross-platform development, now here is your chance. Smile
Yes there's Mono, but it's kinda 2nd class citizen.
Post 13 Nov 2014, 06:30
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prostyle4444



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This is a nice move by MS. Maybe they might make Windows NT architecture open source (just guessing Razz). Anyway, this is a big leap by Micosoft towards open source.
Post 13 Nov 2014, 16:08
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l_inc



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And don't forget about a full version of Visual Studio becoming free:
http://www.visualstudio.com/products/visual-studio-community-vs

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Post 13 Nov 2014, 23:45
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HaHaAnonymous



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Stupid post removed.


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Post 17 Nov 2014, 19:28
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upsurt



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l_inc wrote:
And don't forget about a full version of Visual Studio becoming free:
http://www.visualstudio.com/products/visual-studio-community-vs



Didn't know about that. Great news, thank you!
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great news for sure, another choice for people to develop software in CLI.
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Stupid post removed.


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Post 07 Dec 2014, 14:50
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typedef



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Huh? Visual Studio has been free for years.
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TmX



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typedef wrote:
Huh? Visual Studio has been free for years.



AFAIK, VS that is not an Express (e.g Professional, Ultimate, etc) has never been free before.
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typedef



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TmX wrote:

typedef wrote:
Huh? Visual Studio has been free for years.



AFAIK, VS that is not an Express (e.g Professional, Ultimate, etc) has never been free before.



Depends on your definition of free; Pirated, DreamSpark, ...
Post 08 Dec 2014, 07:33
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TmX



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typedef wrote:

Depends on your definition of free; Pirated, DreamSpark, ...



Free = made legally downloadable for everyone by MS themselves without requiring users to pay or enroll a specific program.
Post 08 Dec 2014, 16:05
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AsmGuru62



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I used VS Express few months ago.
After some time passed (not sure how many days: 30, 60, 90...) - there was a box
asking to enter some info, like your name, and your company name, etc.
And I could not cancel the box - it would close the VS.
Post 08 Dec 2014, 19:48
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ejamesr



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I've been using VS Community 2013 for a couple weeks, had to first uninstall my trial VS Pro 2013. Seems the Community version is the same as Pro 2013. And no more trial license to expire!
Post 08 Dec 2014, 22:51
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upsurt



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Q: Who can use Visual Studio Community?
A: Here’s how individual developers can use Visual Studio Community:
Any individual developer can use Visual Studio Community to create their own free or paid apps.

Here’s how Visual Studio Community can be used in organizations:
An unlimited number of users within an organization can use Visual Studio Community for the following scenarios: in a classroom learning environment, for academic research, or for contributing to open source projects.
For all other usage scenarios: In non-enterprise organizations, up to 5 users can use Visual Studio Community. In enterprise organizations (meaning those with >250 PCs or > $1 Million US Dollars in annual revenue), no use is permitted beyond the open source, academic research, and classroom learning environment scenarios described above.
For more information, please refer to the Visual Studio Community 2013 License Terms and the Visual Studio Licensing Whitepaper.

Q: How does Visual Studio Community 2013 compare to other Visual Studio editions?
A: Visual Studio Community 2013 includes all the great functionality of Visual Studio Professional 2013, designed and optimized for individual developers, students, open source contributors, and small teams.
Post 12 Dec 2014, 10:24
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OzzY



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Great news!
Using Visual Studio to code for all platforms is definitely nice.
Now I have more motivation to learn C#.
Post 20 Dec 2014, 18:34
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typedef



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Let's put more pressure on Microsoft until their flagship product becomes open source as well.
Post 20 Dec 2014, 23:57
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revolution
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Wake me when .NET has gotten rid of the memory hogging bloat and the awful GC concept.

Managed code is a failure. All it manages to do is use more and more memory because the programmers become lazy and think that the GC will fix everything.

Q: "Why is my program freezing and stuttering?"
A: "Because the GC is freeing up forgotten objects"
Q: "Why is my 16G RAM always used up by only a few programs?"
A: "Because of all the spare forgotten objects that haven't yet been GCed, and often are never GCed"
Q: "Why do programmers write such poor code?"
A: "Because managed code pretends to clean up after them, but it doesn't actually, it just makes everything run slower and more RAM hungry"
Q: "Why does my program take forever to start up?"
A: "Because the .NET system is trying to optimising it to run faster"
Q: "Then why doesn't it actually run faster?"
A: "Because the .NET system is such a big overhead that it can't ever be faster"
Q: "Why don't people just compile natively?"
A: "Because .NET makes it hard to do that and people are lazy to fight it"
Q: "What is the difference between .NET and JAVA?"
A: "Not much it would seem, except that MS is behind .NET and managed to make it with more bloat"

Razz
Post 21 Dec 2014, 14:21
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AsmGuru62



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Good points, revolution!
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nyrtzi



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typedef wrote:
Let's put more pressure on Microsoft until their flagship product becomes open source as well.



Under which license? There are a lot of different kinds of open source and "open source" licenses out there. One of those which simply allows people to see the source and mandatates that all improvements are given back to M$ so they can make more $$ out of other peoples' work?
Post 22 Dec 2014, 10:34
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nyrtzi



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Re: .NET is open source

TmX wrote:
Yes there's Mono, but it's kinda 2nd class citizen.



Any info on if the legal issues with Mono have been resolved yet?
Post 22 Dec 2014, 10:35
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