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pelaillo
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My dear young friends, I think it is better to your schools if they let YOU hold the course on fasm instead of VB, C++ and all other crap we get in our school time.
The crap we get in young age is very difficult to remove... it is exactly like learning a new language: the younger you are the easier and quicker you learn.
When I was 16 years old, I used to learn assembly for the C64 but in the same time arrived the 286 and overwhelmed all arround. I simply didn't accept why a monochrome text without sound was better than a graphical environment with sound synthesizer and lost interest, turning into a dumb x86 user.
An Apple was out of reach... and here I am, comming back to the origins...

Please do a favor to your classmates: spread assembly Twisted Evil
Post 18 Aug 2003, 07:18
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scientica
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I will try to teach other assembly, but I lack the pedagogy skills - but I'll try. And I'll do what I can to get the teacher to allow me to do asm...

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Post 18 Aug 2003, 11:01
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Tommy



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Hm....I see what you mean Very Happy ...seems to be a strange little thing there... I'll take a look when I get the time to.... Wink

So long!
Post 18 Aug 2003, 11:59
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Blag



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Hi Scientica:

If you want to teach some newbies ASM....well here i am Wink
If you have some newbie examples please send them to my mail:
singlepathpe@yahoo.es
Agree with you bout the teaching stuff......I lack the pedagogy skills too......no one understands me....when i tried to teach them.

And......

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My dear young friends, I think it is better to your schools if they let YOU hold the course on fasm instead of VB, C++ and all other crap we get in our school time.


Pelaillo.....i know that you don't want to offend anybody.....but....i'm a VB, C++ and other craps programmer Crying or Very sad I'm trying to learn ASM coz i think it's amazing and a must learn for every good programmer..... Very Happy
But all also like my other crap knowledge Wink

So please......don't talk bad about other programming languages.....hum.....maybe Java.....coz it sux......really sux.....i almost hate it Twisted Evil but i learned Mad

Anyway.....Take Care...... Razz

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Post 18 Aug 2003, 15:08
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JohnFound



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Tommy, it's very hard to make all changes to make AsmEdit to work with local variables instead of global. It's more important than comments. Please try to implement bookmark system in my sources. Sorry for inconvenience, but it's important for genera structure of the project.

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John Found
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pelaillo
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Blag wrote:
Hi Scientica:
Pelaillo.....i know that you don't want to offend anybody.....but....i'm a VB, C++ and other craps programmer Crying or Very sad I'm trying to learn ASM coz i think it's amazing and a must learn for every good programmer..... Very Happy
But all also like my other crap knowledge Wink

Hola Blag,
my intention was not to offend of course, it was directed to myself.

When I start coding for windows, I use Pascal, VB and after very much pain, C and C++. It was too late when I discover asm and the possibility to do the same things easier and in a more logic way. Sure, for C/C++ there are thousands of libraries that do the job for easier for you, but I always avoided third party BB (bloat and bugs) and runtime libraries as for example MFC.
I still code in other languages (mainly for maintenance), but it is easier for me now with my asm background.

The message was: I wish I were prepared in school to do assembly and then (if necessary) other languages. Rolling Eyes

How many hours of valuable time saved... very soon you will understand what I mean... Wink
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Tommy



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Oh...sorry JohnFound.... I forgot that....That's also something which "disappeared" when I rewrote it.... I'll fix it when I get the time... Wink
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Blag



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No te preocupes Pelaillo, it's cool Very Happy
I love FASM....and i wish i had learned before....but it was like....."ASM it's hard....you just see a lot of MOV, PUSH and AH,DX,EX.....i mean.....what's that???"......now.....i got to understand those keywords......maybe not at best.....but i learning FASM and that's good. But it's hard coz i study and work and got a bride.....so.....i don't have enough time to study. Laughing

Anyway.....as you zed.....where i study.....they teach VB, Java, SQL, PowerBuilder.....but, they don't teach them the way they must be teach.....i mean, they not teach it to be usefull.....thanx god, i'm a self study programmer....and all the programming i know....i learned it myself. Twisted Evil

So, in a sense of way....i agree with you. Very Happy

(Escribiría en español, pero no creo que nadie más entendería Twisted Evil )

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Blag



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Hi....i just saw the picture of an Visual Assembler Editor named "RadASM".......but.....i don't need to download it.....i rather wait for the FRESH to be done. Very Happy Cool Very Happy

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It's been a long time (a few days) since I last coded in asm (I've done some Java - it a school subject (I chose to do that in the programming lessons - might come handy for my homepage), btw, java isn't (that) bad if you think of it's purpose)
Now I've got some more functionallity in the style editor, now it checks the checkboxes according to the flags of the controll (the other way around isn't done yet - there for I say that the style checking is partial). Soon it's just the rest left Wink

[EDIT]Outdated attachement removed. There should be newer version. possibly in another thread.[/EDIT]

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Hi all.

I am back now. So, new release will be soon. There will be many changes. When I was in hollydays (on the Black sea's, "Sunny beach" resort - there is great Very Happy) I thinked about FRESH strategy, and now I have many ideas about general Fresh structure.

Scientica, I just downloaded your version and I will include your parts in next release.
Tommy, I will wait a little with AsmEdit 1.0.04, because I can't simply include it in the project. Please, try to make implementation without global variables. About SpaceGlyph I will send you an e-mail as soon as possible.

I hope that work on FRESH dosn't influent with your lessons in the school. Smile

Regards.
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See attachment...

Fresh v.1.0.06 with AsmEdit v.1.4 (without global variables)

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JohnFound wrote:
I hope that work on FRESH dosn't influent with your lessons in the school. Smile

Hehe, I don't think tha'll be that big problem, unless I ge drowned in homewok (got a "pretty" good schedule - tuesdays and fridays are great (lessons in school ends before 12 o'clock Smile (I've one subject to study on distance (ECDL) )).
This feels queer, I've been doing more Java than asm these last days...

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Post 24 Aug 2003, 15:23
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Tommy wrote:
See attachment...


Great, Tommy. That is exactly what I needed! Thank you for toolbar icons and menus too.

Only little note about uncomment function. When you check for ';' char, you must check first non-blank symbol, because if the user comments some rows, and then make indent of block that includes commented lines, the first symbol is space not ';' and function 'uncomment' can't uncomment this block.

Scientica: I am glad to read, that you have good scholl schedule. Everythink usefull in my live I learned outside school Very HappyVery HappyVery Happy (before the school lessons, and even before teachers Very Happy ).

Regards.
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Tommy



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Upps....I forgot Very Happy ...Well, I'll try to fix it soon...
Gotta go now! It's football training... Cool

So long!
Tommy
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Tommy



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Now, it's fixed... Wink

...same as previous, but this time with a little fix in the uncomment-procedure...

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Tommy wrote:
Upps....I forgot Very Happy ...Well, I'll try to fix it soon...
Gotta go now! It's football training... Cool

So long!
Tommy


No problems, Tommy. It's not so important thing. You have for it all time you need (even more Smile )
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...see previous post (if you've not seen it already)... Wink
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Tommy wrote:
...see previous post (if you've not seen it already)... Wink


Wow, you are quick just like lightning! Wink Thank you.
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Very Happy Now I'm back from my training.... Thanks!
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