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DimonSoft



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Furs wrote:
it's a choice to become immortal, nobody is forced to and probably will cost a lot of money).

Which makes it a choice only for those who have access to the resources.

Furs wrote:
In other words: let people choose what they want, children or immortality.

I guess, their children would prefer their immortality.

Furs wrote:
But that's not any worse. If you are at a stage where a mutated virus ends up killing you because your body is weak against it, you're long past the time where you would've died already without it.

I’m currently at a stage where a mutated virus might end up killing me because my body is weak against it. But I’m long past the time where I would have died if I lived a couple of centuries ago.

Furs wrote:
And in so many years, I imagine we'll have some nano machines we can inject in our blood and able to kill viruses or the like... unless we go extinct but then immortality is worthless Wink

It’s a game of walls and ladders. Viruses will improve due to natural selection, nano machines will improve due to technical achievements.

We’ll not succeed in fixing our bodies until we succeed in avoiding the replacement of old pipes in our bathrooms. Our body is much more complex than a pipe. Let’s start with fixing pipes forever instead of replacing them.
Post 02 Aug 2018, 10:12
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revolution wrote:
With immortality we don't evolve. We stagnate in our current form. Other creatures will overtake us and make us subservient. Also the climate changes (yes it will, no matter how hard we try to stop it, with ice ages and whatnot) and our ability to survive without evolving becomes more and more unlikely.
Pretty sure if we achieve immortality, biological engineering will be a piece of cake.

I mean, we can live in space dude! Space! Can't be more hostile than that.
Post 02 Aug 2018, 12:16
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DimonSoft wrote:
Which makes it a choice only for those who have access to the resources.
Of course, like most things in life. I don't see how that makes it a bad thing though.

DimonSoft wrote:
I’m currently at a stage where a mutated virus might end up killing me because my body is weak against it. But I’m long past the time where I would have died if I lived a couple of centuries ago.
I think you missed the point. Immortality doesn't make you weaker against viruses by itself. You just become weaker against them with time, and immortality gives you more time to live. In other words, the moment that immortality makes you weaker against a virus is the moment you would have been dead already without it, by definition.

DimonSoft wrote:
It’s a game of walls and ladders. Viruses will improve due to natural selection, nano machines will improve due to technical achievements.

We’ll not succeed in fixing our bodies until we succeed in avoiding the replacement of old pipes in our bathrooms. Our body is much more complex than a pipe. Let’s start with fixing pipes forever instead of replacing them.
Well, "replacing" your organs and "refreshing" your brain every 10 years or so is what I also call immortality and is much more plausible than just having it with zero maintenance. So to me "replacing" the pipes is indeed immortality, in my opinion.

Maybe a word for "become younger by 30 years" would be more appropriate. As long as it's done periodically, to me that's immortality. Same reason I consider software immortal: it can simply be copied, so even if an old storage device fails, the data will live on.
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Furs wrote:
I mean, we can live in space dude! Space! Can't be more hostile than that.
So far all we know is that with all the resources of Earth to help out and some well trained humans then they can survive in space for brief periods. Actually living in space, with nothing but your own resources, for the long term has never been done. The cumulative effects of micro-gravity, recycled waste products, radiation, etc. would likely prove to be fatal if we don't evolve to meet the demands. We just don't know yet.
Post 02 Aug 2018, 12:32
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Furs wrote:
DimonSoft wrote:
Which makes it a choice only for those who have access to the resources.
Of course, like most things in life. I don't see how that makes it a bad thing though.

Just think about yourself not being among those who have the access. And thus no choice.

Furs wrote:
I think you missed the point. Immortality doesn't make you weaker against viruses by itself. You just become weaker against them with time, and immortality gives you more time to live. In other words, the moment that immortality makes you weaker against a virus is the moment you would have been dead already without it, by definition.

I’ve just shown that we already have such immortality then. So no need to bother at all.

Furs wrote:
Well, "replacing" your organs and "refreshing" your brain every 10 years or so is what I also call immortality and is much more plausible than just having it with zero maintenance. So to me "replacing" the pipes is indeed immortality, in my opinion.

Maybe a word for "become younger by 30 years" would be more appropriate. As long as it's done periodically, to me that's immortality. Same reason I consider software immortal: it can simply be copied, so even if an old storage device fails, the data will live on.

So, basically you imply that it is only one’s mind what matters. That’s a difficult question though: people are quite worried about their bodies, even after their death. In fact the whole funeral stuff is all about treating body as if it was the whole person. Can we really say that having all body parts replaced we still have the same guy/girl, from other people’s point of view?
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revolution wrote:
So far all we know is that with all the resources of Earth to help out and some well trained humans then they can survive in space for brief periods. Actually living in space, with nothing but your own resources, for the long term has never been done. The cumulative effects of micro-gravity, recycled waste products, radiation, etc. would likely prove to be fatal if we don't evolve to meet the demands. We just don't know yet.
Honestly I don't think that "evolution" and "random mutation" would help in the slightest, it's just too slow. By the time we evolve against global warming or whatever else we'd have tech to control it or our conditions.

DimonSoft wrote:
Just think about yourself not being among those who have the access. And thus no choice.
Yes, that would be a shame, I hope it doesn't happen, however it still doesn't make it worse than not existing (well except I might feel some envy for the rich, but everyone already does it anyway).

DimonSoft wrote:
So, basically you imply that it is only one’s mind what matters. That’s a difficult question though: people are quite worried about their bodies, even after their death. In fact the whole funeral stuff is all about treating body as if it was the whole person. Can we really say that having all body parts replaced we still have the same guy/girl, from other people’s point of view?
I personally don't care about my body and I'd swap it easily if it was plausible with future technology. A lot of people even hate their bodies (I don't, I just don't care) so they got even more reasons. Of course, not everyone may share this viewpoint, but nobody forces them to undergo the procedure anyway. Obviously, the brain would need some sort of refreshing for this to work, else it will age even in the new (young) body, not cool. Still, I'm hopeful at least.
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DimonSoft wrote:
Can we really say that having all body parts replaced we still have the same guy/girl, from other people’s point of view?
In a sense we already have that. The cells in many parts of our body are replaced frequently. AFAICT it is only the very specialised organs, like the brain, where cells need longer term lives for us to function the way we do.
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Furs wrote:
Honestly I don't think that "evolution" and "random mutation" would help in the slightest, it's just too slow. By the time we evolve against global warming or whatever else we'd have tech to control it or our conditions.

I find it interesting to consider having a pretty high level of technology while also having complete mess in modern software a kind of “random mutation” as well. And this “evolution” has actually been quite fast for at least a few centuries by now.
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i went to hospital again,
a slight discomfort that on and off, so far blood test is ok, chest xray no problem, and appointment with specialist at 4th of September,

i guess i am scared,

then i came to realize, when the youngsters pool are arrange to not study medical science, it means less and less doctors, and lower chances for humanity to solve human sufferings,

we don't have sense of urgency, we all are basically doing a countdown,

damn it, i am f scare,
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what happened to others eventually will happen to us, it just a matter of when, realizing this fact actually cause us to become more caring and sympathetic to other's situations.

who should we contact to claim our body parts, those designers, Laughing
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what kind of games are we into,
to see so many of us human coming, and so many gone away from earth, what actually is happening,

and why the secrets only revealed to less than 100 person like that?

don't get it,

billions and trillions with no idea what is going on, is this suffering? Laughing
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the time has come, we got to step out and help our fellow human with their own suffering, together we could find a better solution, find a more balance way of life, a natural way living in earth, a win win situation for fellow human, animals and earth,

we got to spread what we believe is better for humanity, and accept arguments if there are counter arguments, things must be reasoned instead of blind beliefs,

it is you provide solution or you keep mum till your last day,
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Q - The Plan To Save The World (old version)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cYZ8dUgPuU
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is losing memories something very pain, i guess, yes,
when you lose your memories, you got people around you very worried, as if you have no idea what is going on, and keep repeating the thing that already become past, keep on wanted to do things that you already did, keep on mentioned person who already passed away.

now, we came on earth without any memories, i mean, most of us, some got some memories about their past, shanti devi,

who is worried for us? when we came on earth without any f idea???
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maybe i figured out this ai thing,

is it possible to have a programming language that able to do the following in numbers:

i gave output and process, and the language will use Rand to figure out input,

a + b / 5 - c = 95

so, after a while, the language itself, after execution, will give me, a, b and c

is such language already available?
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The amount of solutions even for your simple equation is infinite. Thus the algorithm will not pass the requirement of being finite. The amount of storage required for all the possible solution will also be infinite. So, such a language either should have a lot of limitations (to find out most of which you already have to solve the task manually) or it would be impractical.
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the language just need to provide one of the solution out of infinite solutions.
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sleepsleep wrote:
the language just need to provide one of the solution out of infinite solutions.

So, the compiler should be able to answer the question whether any solution exists. Which might also take the amount of time close to infinite (too long for modern computer performance) for some tasks. Such tasks are already known to us, and who knows how many of them do exist.

Note also that such a language should have been able to solve/prove unsolvability of well-known problems.
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i am far away to understand those problems,

but i envision, such programming language should comes up soon, basically, a process and output based, and let the intelligent or rand() find matched inputs,
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everyday should be our best effort, since it could be our only day to perform best effort, treat others well, and kind, and caring,

the whole thing are connected, one way or another,
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