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somehow I thought about this,

if we are sick, we go to hospital and check up with doctors,

if we have mental problems, we find psychologist,

if we want to build a new house, we find architect, we find builders, we then engage electricians, plumbers, and so on,

if we want to eat fruits, we go market, grocery shops and look up what we want,

all these concluded into one fact,

we got limited time to master every skills out there, and this is one hard fact,

so, why don't we leave religion matter to professional religionists,

a computer programmer has zero intention to turn everybody into programmer,

a fireman has zero intention to turn everybody into fireman,

but a religionist have full desire to turn everybody into their belief,

a politician has full desire to turn everybody into their party,

anything that intended to convert something into their own is virus, cancer,
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furs, furs, furs..
a child comes into being mocking this world without even knowing it
there is nothing wrong with mokcery, jest, joke, parody and alike...
what matters if the.. entity means harm, violence, rampage and alike
even a heavy jeer might be of good wiil, and a light jest of foul intention.
one has to have wit.
Post 29 Dec 2018, 13:17
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since you mentioned something about love, let us elaborate this word,

what is love actually,
- a strong feeling of affection.
- a great interest and pleasure in something.
- feel deep affection or sexual love for (someone).

now, how far these definition to the word love?

imo, maybe i somehow define love previously, anyway, i could just redefine it, hopefully more detail and deeper than previously,

love is not really far away from hate,
one pole is what you like, and another pole is what you dislike, like north and south poles,

love and hate both are extreme form of like and dislike,

the issue with all these words are, they exists in the form to describe something at a particular moment, eg, now moment,

and the person who use those words most likely having changes and couldn't bring the meaning along,

like, a wedding invitation card last longer than a wedding itself,

the funny thing would be, people regards these word as something eternal,

should we human love? well, we are human, we have weaknesses, and most likely, we couldn't help but falling in love with opposite sexes,

but love is illusion, it just a focus snatcher at a particular moment, and most likely, we change and they change and we couldn't drag along love to have changes,

now why we use this word?

most probably, for male,

1. to get sex,

2. to get sex,

3. to get sex,

thats it,

we use the word "love" as some sort of promise, is love some sort of taking advantages, maybe, idk,

~

in another thought, why we perceive every male or female could become professional husband and wife?

most of them, failed in marriage, failed in relationship,

and they probably succeed in making love and create babies, thats it,

why they don't send their wife to professional husband, i think that is better idea,

maybe a commercial professional husband and wife business, Laughing
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still ringing hot the story about alpha go,

How the Artificial-Intelligence Program AlphaZero Mastered Its Games
https://www.newyorker.com/science/elements/how-the-artificial-intelligence-program-alphazero-mastered-its-games

free to view 4 articles if i am not mistaken,
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sleepsleep wrote:
since you mentioned something about love

retarded guy, but i still love you.

im pretty sure one day board.flatassembler.net will go down, and i will go to web.archive.org to re-read what you wrote.

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bzt wrote:
I'd like to disagree. I think humans by nature are not afraid of the unknown (e.g. those not like them or stranger). I think curiousity is a much more stronger human trait. Any parent can tell you, how it's when a child keep asking "but why?" Smile Or how easily little children can connect to each other when playing, without the smallest sign of racism for example.
I don't think that children are a good example of human nature. Not even in animals.

bzt wrote:
IMHO there are two groups of people: one that can be brainwashed to fear almost anything when they grew up (the big unnamed mass, unfortunately); and the other group who are immune to that, and will keep their curiousity no matter what. That latter group consists of scientists, inventors, explorers, all the people we know by name (e.g. Marco Polo, Magellan, Amerigo Vespucci, Admunsen, Galilei, von Braun, etc. etc. etc.)

I think people who are obsessed by control are the ones who are unnatural and brainwashed by possession (yes, that includes the "elite" too who spread the fear in the first place and uses mass-scale brainwashing over the media). I think their thoughts might be: masses in fear = easier to control. Which might be true to a certain degree on a small scale, but no gov were able to handle panic, ever.
So what was Stephen Hawking then? The explorer type? Because he was very afraid of aliens. He assumed aliens share human nature and would do to us what the europeans did to the native americans.

BTW you can see the exact same thing with those fearing AIs or even genetically modified humans, all over the place.
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guignol wrote:
furs, furs, furs..
a child comes into being mocking this world without even knowing it
there is nothing wrong with mokcery, jest, joke, parody and alike...
what matters if the.. entity means harm, violence, rampage and alike
even a heavy jeer might be of good wiil, and a light jest of foul intention.
one has to have wit.
What if an entity means no harm but doesn't actively help people who mock it? How would such be classified as? Neutral?

I put it Neutral. I don't believe in the "evil by inaction" bs.
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Furs wrote:
I don't think that children are a good example of human nature. Not even in animals.
Why not? I think they are the best since they are not yet conditioned. They act as their true nature tells them to. May I suggest to forget those stupid pychologists, who are not real scientists (seriously, true science is based on solid facts, not on some comic book which they rewrite every year...). If you really want to understand human behaviour, then you should study human ethology instead. Start with Konrad Lorenz, he wrote many books for the public, safe from scientific jargon.

Furs wrote:
So what was Stephen Hawking then? The explorer type? Because he was very afraid of aliens. He assumed aliens share human nature and would do to us what the europeans did to the native americans.
Obviously the scientist type.

Furs wrote:
BTW you can see the exact same thing with those fearing AIs or even genetically modified humans, all over the place.
I am also afraid of AI. Not because it could be self-concious, but because it's nothing more than a bullshit. As Kaku said, our current "AI" is less intelligent than an ant, and he was right. In fact today's AIs are nothing more than a bunch of statistic methods feeded on big data, still some lunatics gave them controls over deadly weapons. If it's not bad enough, then think about that anytime a school boy can hack into them and negate that "friend or foe" bit to turn the machines against their masters. Put that aside, it's well-known fact how easily AI can be manipulated. But go on, it's just another nail in the coffin of the civilization! For those who would ever trust an AI over their own judgement, I'd like to quote Benjamin Franklin: "those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

sleepsleep wrote:
if we are sick, we go to hospital and check up with doctors,
Only if you can afford that. Most of the humankind makes a herb tea.

sleepsleep wrote:
if we have mental problems, we find psychologist,
Why not seek out to your friends? Cheaper and empirically proved to be much more effective.

sleepsleep wrote:
if we want to eat fruits, we go market, grocery shops and look up what we want,
Again, if you are rich, and if you live in a place where there are markets in the first place. In my grandparents time it was much more obvious to go to the garden to get the fruits.

sleepsleep wrote:
we got limited time to master every skills out there, and this is one hard fact,
True.

sleepsleep wrote:
so, why don't we leave religion matter to professional religionists,
You gave the answer yourself, because they want to force their stupid dogmatic belief on us.

Cheers,
bzt
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https://juliareda.eu/2018/12/eu-fossa-bug-bounties/
In January, the EU starts running Bug Bounties on Free and Open Source Software

not sure who is interested,

Filezilla, Apache Kafka, Notepad++, PuTTY, VLC Media Player, FLUX TL, KeePass, 7-zip, Digital Signature Services (DSS), Drupal, GNU C Library (glibc), PHP Symfony, Apache Tomcat, WSO2, midPoint

most are quite popular, and probably used by us,
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https://openage.sft.mx
Age of empires clone engine,

https://blog.openage.sft.mx

I forgot what the last time I played this game, been so long already, another great game would be transport tycoon deluxe,
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a little bit ideas on ai,
because we are on the verge to discover the construction of consciousness,

big data can be pretty smart, in my idea, the management of every data, doesn't represent some sort of consciousness, but more on the ability to sync every data into some sort of conclusions that able to attain some sort of objectives depend on what focuses we gave them,

eg, the ability to identify a human face from every possible data source,

the ability to identify a location based on a picture,

then we evolve that ability to able to respond based on what it able to identify,

overall, these all don't represent a consciousness, or does it?

the ability to reason is not there, or it is? does reason grow up from having a desire, target, objective?
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some statistic on apache software,
https://projects.apache.org/

Image

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bzt wrote:
Why not? I think they are the best since they are not yet conditioned. They act as their true nature tells them to. May I suggest to forget those stupid pychologists, who are not real scientists (seriously, true science is based on solid facts, not on some comic book which they rewrite every year...). If you really want to understand human behaviour, then you should study human ethology instead. Start with Konrad Lorenz, he wrote many books for the public, safe from scientific jargon.
You don't have to listen to any psychologists at all, in fact you don't even have to look at humans, but animals too.

Animal children are definitely not representative of the animal's true nature (and indeed, animals are mostly driven by instincts, not conditioned!). They are playful and friendly and "innocent" where the adult can be very wild and dangerous and unpredictable. Sounds like humans.

Imagine a super dangerous and powerful animal that we couldn't best with our tools (primitive age). Clearly we'd be afraid of it, even if its only purpose is to feed itself and no actual malevolent intent, so it's not actually evil but humans would classify it that way.

At any rate, the thing is that children of humans and animals alike (well same thing) are different than adults and it's not due to being conditioned only. It's an inherent thing.

bzt wrote:
I am also afraid of AI. Not because it could be self-concious, but because it's nothing more than a bullshit. As Kaku said, our current "AI" is less intelligent than an ant, and he was right. In fact today's AIs are nothing more than a bunch of statistic methods feeded on big data, still some lunatics gave them controls over deadly weapons. If it's not bad enough, then think about that anytime a school boy can hack into them and negate that "friend or foe" bit to turn the machines against their masters. Put that aside, it's well-known fact how easily AI can be manipulated. But go on, it's just another nail in the coffin of the civilization! For those who would ever trust an AI over their own judgement, I'd like to quote Benjamin Franklin: "those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
Oh, I was talking about people being afraid of sentient AIs that would be more intelligent than humans, not less. People like Hawking (I know I referenced him before) and Elon Musk and so on. Not dumb AIs given control over deadly stuff.

i.e. they're afraid of something that bests them (in this case in intelligence) because, well, refer to my previous point about human nature Wink
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http://psychologytomorrowmagazine.com/shoe-obsession-fashion-institute/

obsession,

women probably feel high when shopping for shoes, you could read more inside above article,

my pov would be, men suffered from exactly obsession too,

eg, pedophile who want to download children naked photos,

these whole thing probably work exactly the same way, it just different objects or events to make us feel excited, to cause our dopamine excrets,

it could be watching porn, mangga, anime, drama, love stories, collecting stamps,
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sleepsleep wrote:
it could be watching porn, mangga, anime, drama, love stories, collecting stamps,
You forgot to add writing assembly code to the list.
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yeah, those activities and things that we desire,

then I somehow figure out one thing,

these all happened because we forget and neglected the idea about cost of maintenance,

everything that we desire will cost us more time,

recalled back how many hours you used to have a wife, make love, have kids,

and how much the expansion of those, consume even more of your hours,
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spending hours for the benefit of Earth, world, and humanity,

http://www.researchcoders.com/index.php/manifesto

in short,
ResearchCoders: Make the world a better place by using your programming skills
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sleepsleep wrote:
spending hours for the benefit of Earth, world, and humanity,

http://www.researchcoders.com/index.php/manifesto

in short,
ResearchCoders: Make the world a better place by using your programming skills
Optimizing code to the last byte is the best way to make the world a better place. Less energy wasted (because less redundant crap & bloat), less user frustration, and so on. Especially if the software is used by millions or billions of users. Sadly, few care about it.

Let's be wasteful with all the hotshot new bloated programming languages instead. Mad
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