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one way to stay alive is, having more power to defend yourself,
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so it comes to a question, what kind of thing, object, ideas, etc that you respect?

what is respect actually?

does this mean when something is obviously wrong, you still need to respect due to respect? because the offender is old human, or high status human, or etc condition that make it abnormal to usual sop?

1. a feeling of deep admiration for someone or something elicited by their abilities, qualities, or achievements.
2. due regard for the feelings, wishes, or rights of others.

what is respect actually?

you respect the law by performing it in standard way, fair to everybody,

but now out of respect to offender properties, you do it in a different way,

which mean you can't respect something unless you disrespect something else,

there is no way to respect both conflicting ideas, or there is?
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sleepsleep wrote:
... when something is obviously wrong ...
Wouldn't that be a subjective assessment? Wrong and right depend upon one's POV.
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sleepsleep
driving against traffic,
purposely enter a no shoes place with shoes,
delete files that you shouldnt delete, purposely
placing a virus usb into pc, purposely
selling something that you know got defect,
claim A when you know it is not A,
and more,
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of course, i need to define purposely,
when we saw signals that told us something else, not according to expectation, but we keep on proceed with no extra carefulness,

with no regard of abnormal data, info, etc
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sleepsleep wrote:
driving against traffic,
purposely enter a no shoes place with shoes,
delete files that you shouldnt delete, purposely
placing a virus usb into pc, purposely
selling something that you know got defect,
claim A when you know it is not A,
and more,
All of those depend upon your POV.

If you are a policeman chasing a vicious and dangerous escaped murderer and the only way to reach him is to drive the "wrong" way down a one-way street, now is that wrong or right to drive against traffic?

It is all about POV. There is no absolute right or wrong. IMO.
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yes, there is

but for the sake of your whateverism, tell us, what you forgive a thief?
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it seems like the journey to know other is actually the journey to know ourself,

they appear like a mirror to us when you willing to go deep and realize you are seeing another extension of your ownself,

how your concern about something is not their concern, and the process to realize why such difference exists,
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revolution wrote:

It is all about POV. There is no absolute right or wrong. IMO.

smoking in air-conditioned room when there are few others, kids, babies?

i agree in general sense, good or bad is a perception thing, depend on where you stand and how you view,

but if we go deeper to the conflict, gaining, verifying, realizing more info, data, and so on, we could actually conclude if that action is suitable or not, if that action is evil or not,

eg, a near 60 years old man fuck a 6 to 9 years old female kid, that is EVIL,
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sleepsleep wrote:
smoking in air-conditioned room when there are few others, kids, babies?
The 1960's called and said that this is not a problem.
sleepsleep wrote:
but if we go deeper to the conflict, gaining, verifying, realizing more info, data, and so on, we could actually conclude if that action is suitable or not, if that action is evil or not,
Evil also depends upon your POV. There is no absolute good or evil.
sleepsleep wrote:
eg, a near 60 years old man fuck a 6 to 9 years old female kid, that is EVIL,
In your POV. The 60 y/o man might not think so, his POV differs.
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from the general point of view, there is no enough data to conclude a point,

but when pov is being scrutinized, you can actually come to a judgement to determine whether such an act is purposely, evil, bad for overall, or opposite,

one can said and claimed the moon is triangle or etc shape or whatever else, that is his or her pov, is like the earth is flat and etc,

he can believe, felt or etc that whatever that he believe, felt is real, good, bad, etc, each is entitled to their own opinion based on what data they acquired,

i define it to when the action of something reflect less to zero amount of goodness, it is bad then,

is like an apple, what is a good apple, and what is a bad apple, what kind of apple you will consume, and what kind of apple you won't consume,

if given a choice to consume a good apple, and a bad apple, which one you would choose,
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sleepsleep wrote:
i define ...
Yes, that is your POV.

Other people might have different opinions.

Good vs bad. Evil vs good. Up vs down. They are all just people's opinions. None is universally "correct" or universally "wrong".
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Quote:
Other people might have different opinions.

In EU goverment opinion carrot is a fruit and snail is a fish. Wink
Many, not only EU citizens, suggest them study fundamental books of biology.
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revolution wrote:
sleepsleep wrote:
i define ...
Yes, that is your POV.
really?
how did 1960s call you?
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i mean, the existence of language itself, the way how we communicate, is a prove that, we all could come into some sort of standard agreement on what is what,

is like true is true, instead of true is false,

yah, every view is definitely a POV, but upon scrutiny, you could come into a conclusion of judgement,

triangle is triangle, but then someone claimed triangle is circle, and attribute that to his/her POV, sure he can claimed whatever shape or name he wanted to call that triangle,

but everybody upon seeing and verifying that shape, that object, knew, that is a triangle,
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sleepsleep wrote:
i mean, the existence of language itself, the way how we communicate, is a prove that, we all could come into some sort of standard agreement on what is what,

is like true is true, instead of true is false,

yah, every view is definitely a POV, but upon scrutiny, you could come into a conclusion of judgement,

triangle is triangle, but then someone claimed triangle is circle, and attribute that to his/her POV, sure he can claimed whatever shape or name he wanted to call that triangle,

but everybody upon seeing and verifying that shape, that object, knew, that is a triangle,
Languages are just a human convention. They aren't a universal truth. English might well be one of the worst examples actually. Words, and their meanings, are always changing over time.

Even for our well known x86 we have different syntaxes, the two main ones being Intel and AT&T, and many more minor ones.
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sleepsleep wrote:
i mean, the existence of language itself, the way how we communicate, is a prove that, we all could come into some sort of standard agreement on what is what,

is like true is true, instead of true is false,

yah, every view is definitely a POV, but upon scrutiny, you could come into a conclusion of judgement,

triangle is triangle, but then someone claimed triangle is circle, and attribute that to his/her POV, sure he can claimed whatever shape or name he wanted to call that triangle,

but everybody upon seeing and verifying that shape, that object, knew, that is a triangle,
Try to describe the color green to a blind person since birth. Wink
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sleepsleep wrote:
... that is a triangle,
So just for fun I checked an online reference.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/triangle#Noun shows 10 different meanings.
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revolution wrote:
sleepsleep wrote:
i mean, the existence of language itself, the way how we communicate, is a prove that, we all could come into some sort of standard agreement on what is what,

is like true is true, instead of true is false,

yah, every view is definitely a POV, but upon scrutiny, you could come into a conclusion of judgement,

triangle is triangle, but then someone claimed triangle is circle, and attribute that to his/her POV, sure he can claimed whatever shape or name he wanted to call that triangle,

but everybody upon seeing and verifying that shape, that object, knew, that is a triangle,
Languages are just a human convention. They aren't a universal truth. English might well be one of the worst examples actually. Words, and their meanings, are always changing over time.

Even for our well known x86 we have different syntaxes, the two main ones being Intel and AT&T, and many more minor ones.
a bunch of nonsense
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let say you don't know chinese character,

人 天 千 无

and i ask you to give some ideas about what are those shapes?

there must exists a common base knowledge, ideas before further discussion is possible,

is like trying to transmit the meaning of color through monochrome television, or broken television set that won't show anything,
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