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I know a lot of people here have experience with Linux. I'm a complete noob, I've never yet been able to run it successfully. I've tried to install it a few times, and I've tried various live versions also. But never have I had everything working.
I've researched a few options for Linux dedicated setups from places like System76, Puri.sm and ZaReason etc., but I'm not impressed with any of them. From what I can gather they are really just normal systems with whatever drivers and things needed to get it running Linux and sold at a large mark-up. My workplace has made it clear that any OS other than Windows is not going to happen until our customers require it. So anything I buy will have to be a personal purchase. Which means a tight budget and very little time to allow for configuration and twiddling (actually this is the scariest part for me, is the time required to get things working correctly, I just don't have endless hours available to try 523 different versions of Linux and/or to solve 972 error messages). So does anyone have a recommendation for what system (or brand, or whatever) to buy that is the easiest for installing Linux? Everything must work, I don't want incompatibilities and things only half working. I have a few non-negotiable criteria: removable battery with standard cell sizes (18650 cells are probably the best here), high resolution screen (2k or higher), lightweight (no more than 1.6kg), spinning HDD (no tiny SSDs). "sufficient" RAM (at least 4GB). I'm not a speed freak so I don't really care about the CPU. And I have absolutely no use for a GPU so if one is included I won't care, and it would probably just get disabled. There are plenty of currently available systems around that meet the above criteria but they all come with Windows installed (of course). So which of those systems have all the necessary drivers available, and can run Linux, and have it all working properly? Is there really nothing that can do it? |
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28 May 2017, 03:10 |
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finally, a great step towards humanity, =)
not sure about your budget, but best bet would be, exact model like those kernel developers use, and if you use porteus linux, you don't have to buy a "linux" laptop, you just need a pendrive, and use your "windows" laptop, boot usb, uefi if required, and you got linux that run from memory, yes, you could plug away the pendrive after linux copy those files completely into memory, imo, high screen resolution might be problem here, because cheap laptop usually came in 1366 x 768, Aspire E - Model Name: E5-575-33BM $349.99 https://www.acer.com/ac/en/US/content/model/NX.GG5AA.005 IdeaPad 510S (14") $549 http://www3.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/ideapad/ideapad-500-series/Lenovo-IdeaPad-510S-14ISK/p/88IP50S0711 Inspiron 13 5000 2-in-1 $529 http://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/productdetails/inspiron-13-5368-2-in-1-laptop idk if all above laptops will run flawlessly with linux, (because it depends also on what distro you intend to use) you might need to enable javascript to view above manufacturers' website, you could also go to amazon, sort traditional laptop by price, set dsiplay resolution to 1920 x 1080, wifi realtek, atheros, ralink are preferred, 
more offer here, http://www.gearbest.com/laptops-c_11964/ Jumper EZBOOK 3 Notebook  |
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28 May 2017, 06:26 |
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sleepsleep wrote: and if you use porteus linux, you don't have to buy a "linux" laptop, you just need a pendrive, and use your "windows" laptop, boot usb, uefi if required, and you got linux that run from memory, yes, you could plug away the pendrive after linux copy those files completely into memory, sleepsleep wrote: idk if all above laptops will run flawlessly with linux, sleepsleep wrote: (because it depends also on what distro you intend to use) sleepsleep wrote: you could also go to amazon, sort traditional laptop by price, set dsiplay resolution to 1920 x 1080, |
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28 May 2017, 11:17 |
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Or will I just be forced to pay the large marked up prices to get a properly working version of "free" Linux?
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28 May 2017, 14:02 |
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revolution wrote:
what is your current hardware? revolution wrote:
you probably need to join some linux group, revolution wrote:
i run porteus for years now, using 3.2 now, eventually my goal is to build my own distro, or i might go with bsd (free/open/net) idk your expectation about learning / using linux, i am very sure, every distro will give you some sort of issues / problems, and solving them equal part of learning process, |
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28 May 2017, 16:17 |
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revolution wrote: Or will I just be forced to pay the large marked up prices to get a properly working version of "free" Linux? i tried porteus linux on most of the laptop / desktop i repair, i dare to say, 95% of those could boot without any issues, if properly working equal - working ethernet, - working wireless, - working video, then 95% laptops available on market should be no issue, |
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28 May 2017, 16:20 |
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revolution wrote:
Hey, 300+ active Linux distributions can't all be wrong.
revolution wrote:
Um, half-serious, the "Free" means "freedom", not necessarily zero cost. So yeah, paying somebody for support (Red Hat?) might make sense if your needs are that dire. revolution wrote:
I don't understand the urgency if you're just going to be forced to use Windows anyways. Everyone else does, so it's a safe bet. The world would practically end if all (modern) Windows stopped working. It's that crucial to many peoples' work. So I wouldn't worry too much. However, that doesn't mean everything is perfect for every use case, but neither is Linux (obviously). Linux is great and does a lot, but even they can't do literally everything. Try and see, but it's not realistic to get your hopes up insanely high. But most things do work (after many years of effort)! You might have best luck, as mentioned, by installing a common distro to a "pendrive" and live booting that on any potential purchase hardware as a test. If it works (in obviously simple scenarios, e.g. networking), then you're probably okay. I'm no guru, by far, but here's a few simple links: |
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28 May 2017, 18:33 |
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rugxulo wrote: I don't understand the urgency ... rugxulo wrote: ... but it's not realistic to get your hopes up insanely high. rugxulo wrote: But most things do work (after many years of effort)! rugxulo wrote: You might have best luck, as mentioned, by installing a common distro to a "pendrive" and live booting that on any potential purchase hardware as a test. If it works (in obviously simple scenarios, e.g. networking), then you're probably okay. What I'm really looking for is something that "just works". Buy a system, install Linux and we're done. Is that possible? If so, then what? Currently my options are the more expensive pre-installed systems. Yes, I could do that but they are small companies and support is not going to be exactly wonderful. So I am trying to explore alternative options at the moment. It is not urgent, I can wait. But in the long term I want to do this eventually to get away from the corporate spying and monitoring that comes with Windows. My current system can't run Linux correctly from any live distro I've tried. I always get a lower display resolution that is in a distorted aspect ratio, the trackpad is extraordinarily sensitive and impossible to get accurate positioning, and the fan is stuck at one speed. I've given up trying new distros now, it was just a waste of my time. |
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28 May 2017, 19:48 |
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sleepsleep wrote:
get this then, https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxhardware/comments/5kbh9z/acer_aspire_e_15_how_is_the_linux_support/ https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxquestions/comments/5c1b4p/is_the_acer_aspire_e15_e557533bm_compatible_with/dg4lulg/ http://veino.com/blog/?p=1303 http://www.laptopforprogramming.com/best-cheap-laptop-for-linux/ please update laptop bios, use recent kernel version, |
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29 May 2017, 00:15 |
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sleepsleep: Those laptops are too heavy. My non-negotiable criterion for weight is 1.6kg max (see the first post). This pretty much excludes all 15 inch systems. I have to carry this thing all over the planet, it can't be too heavy or too flimsy.
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29 May 2017, 01:10 |
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revolution wrote:
Have you tried submitting bug report either to the distro developers, or Linux kernel developers themselves? Without knowing what your system is, it's like a blind guess... |
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29 May 2017, 02:04 |
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revolution wrote: I have a few non-negotiable criteria: removable battery with standard cell sizes (18650 cells are probably the best here), high resolution screen (2k or higher), lightweight (no more than 1.6kg), spinning HDD (no tiny SSDs). "sufficient" RAM (at least 4GB). Maybe you should just stick to your notebook bought in 2003 -- it still works, I believe.  |
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29 May 2017, 02:27 |
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Like I mentioned in the first post, systems that meet my hardware criteria are plentiful and easy to find (but they come with Windows of course). The hard part, and the part I want to solve, is finding a combination of the hardware and Linux software that work with each other.
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29 May 2017, 03:41 |
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YONG wrote: Maybe you should just stick to your notebook bought in 2003 -- it still works, I believe. |
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29 May 2017, 03:43 |
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TmX wrote: Have you tried submitting bug report either to the distro developers, or Linux kernel developers themselves? |
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29 May 2017, 03:45 |
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revolution wrote: The hard part, and the part I want to solve, is finding a combination of the hardware and Linux software that work with each other. |
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29 May 2017, 04:24 |
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YONG wrote: If you are willing to let go of your fixations (removable battery & spinning HDD) ... |
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29 May 2017, 04:29 |
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revolution wrote: No, sorry, non-negotiable. revolution wrote: I want something that will last, not a throwaway toy with the SSD and battery failing after a year or so ... |
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29 May 2017, 05:35 |
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I like Debian and recommend you to use it. I feel good about this system
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29 May 2017, 06:12 |
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kerr wrote: I like Debian and recommend you to use it. I feel good about this system ... a few non-negotiable criteria: removable battery with standard cell sizes (18650 cells are probably the best here), high resolution screen (2k or higher), lightweight (no more than 1.6kg), spinning HDD (no tiny SSDs). "sufficient" RAM (at least 4GB). Yeah, he/she is quite picky. |
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29 May 2017, 06:42 |
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